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yeah this is this is true gain uh

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okay ladies and gentlemen can you hear

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me now is everything there we go so i

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going to replay the intro i'm gonna have

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to cut this out somehow

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four hours early for april fools so

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again uh to be able to make sure that we

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can uh upgrade our equipment to make

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sure this uh we stay on the cutting edge

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uh as i mentioned before during the

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intro if you loved the show and that was

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such a good intro too um you know what

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we'll we'll do this again at the end of

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the show so scotty if you'd like to be

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able to begin again

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and i do apologize for the technical

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it's all right it's all right uh i

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understand fully um i think uh just what

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we were saying was uh the last time i

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was supposed to be here i had to bail on

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you because uh just a few days after a

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clean bill of health i was in the

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hospital having open heart surgery and

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uh i'm now uh i've survived the open

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heart surgery for up by about seven

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and i've got a great uh uh scar that uh

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where i a younger man with fewer

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children and lesser wives i would say it

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would be to impress the chicks but that

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isn't gonna happen now so uh uh i came

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out with a nice scar and uh and some

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good healing and uh working better than

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ever according to my doctors so uh so

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there it is that's uh that's where i was

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last time

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and uh um everything's going well now

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you know and that that's

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it's good to be able to see it was it

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was uh we did miss you on the telethon

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uh you know and i know that you were

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looking forward to it but again

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your health is is first and foremost and

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when it comes to your wife and your kids

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you know making sure that you're there

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for them and making sure you can get as

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healthy as possible to keep being as

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awesome as you are every single day is

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uh you know it's an inspiration

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you sound like my wife to to be as

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awesome as i've always been well

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with with that kind of facial hair and

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again i tried to emulate it as best i

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could but i just don't have those

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minnesotan genes unfortunately

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what what what have you got coming up in

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the next couple of months like do you

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have a vacation planned any type of

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relaxation recovery time or do you have

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something cool and happening going on

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well you know uh

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it's just getting life back to normal

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getting back in the saddle doing things

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that were left off i still have tons of

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projects sitting here unfinished uh that

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were unfinished when all this started

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got a few events that i'll be speaking

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a few things going up i was supposed to

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be in egypt uh when this happened and uh

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it's probably a good thing uh when you

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think about um

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uh being 500 600 miles south of cairo

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uh and another 100 miles south of luxor

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and out into the western desert a little

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bit and uh um having had something like

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i plan to do that in the upcoming months

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to get back to egypt uh where my good

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friend uh john ward uh uh works out

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uh so and a couple of paranormal events

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coming up uh mid-south paranormal i'll

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absentia because they had uh with their

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archaeological season three seasons back

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to back to back uh that they did this

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year and uh

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kept us from working on some of our

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things together uh so uh that's that's

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really it that's all that's coming up as

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far as on my docket it's getting uh

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things back to some modicum of normalcy

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you know if you've got these writing

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projects coming out is there any chance

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that we can get you back on the show to

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be able to discuss those when they are

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released because i love your writing i

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love what you do and we want to make

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sure we can give you as much support as

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you only possible going forward let's

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let's get enough sure

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there you go absolutely and i appreciate

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that uh right now it feels like uh i've

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been gone so long i i i'm trying to

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remember what it was like and it's only

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been a couple of months and uh i i could

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imagine i see aaron sitting back there

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in the wings imagine having a couple of

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months where you don't do what you

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normally do every day and then you get

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back into it and you say

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have i been gone for 10 years and uh

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because things changed so quickly and

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there's so much information to be

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i'm i'm of the same mind like if if i

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stepped away from doing advertising at

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any point in time or you know not doing

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graphic design or not doing this show it

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would just drive me absolutely insane

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and i know my wife is telling me you

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know like it's like she's like the

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summer's coming up it's a gas cottage

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country yeah like you're gonna take a

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hiatus at some point right i'm like

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yeah yeah and i don't know what like you

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know what like when i come back well i

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forget how to be able to work the

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controls or you know it's um it can be a

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little bit a little disorienting but if

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you need the rest you need the time off

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you need the ability to heal yourself

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mind body and soul take it enjoy it

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well absolutely and and not to get too

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esoteric with it all but uh

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to wax that way but i think one of the

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things he was really impressed is on me

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the last couple of months which is

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something i've always believed but uh

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more impressed now are those

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irreplaceable moments of time

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to do and so many things that we can

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lennon the famous sage john lennon uh

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from the beatles said something like

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life is that thing that

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passes you by while you're waiting for

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um and so in the process of working and

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conversions or anything like that other

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than realizations that there's a lot to

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do and a lot still to do and i want to i

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want to do it right and i want to be

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around to do it so and you know we we

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appreciate you

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uh being that uh that shining beacon for

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anybody who's going through anything or

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going through recovery and facing it

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head-on with with the strength and

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courage of of a hundred men and you know

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i applaud you for that and i i thank you

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very much for for that inspiration uh

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because there's a lot of people out

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there who who may not have you know may

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not know which way to be able to turn

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sure well i appreciate that and thank

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you and i i would say it's not the

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strength of a hundred men maybe 14 but

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one thing is uh interesting that uh

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you're going to be joining us on a new

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the last like six or so weeks it's

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called the hangover it's a little more

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of our variety program like you know

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after breakfast or you know after lunch

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of yours that is going to be joining us

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and uh you know i i've i asked

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guys uh linked up and uh and who this

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alternative history uh esoterics uh all

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october and there's this moratorium by

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the united arab emirates to keep uh uh

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some of the communications online um

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that seemed to fall apart the

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communications would fall apart on us uh

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of april and uh we're going to do a few

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rocky in that mix and i became pretty

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good friends a few years ago

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matter of fact from what i understand

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the precursor to being able to speak

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well to the hangover episodes so um

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uh uh the last i talked to rocky he said

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i'm on i'm on a bottle of vino number

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two

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so uh uh it's a good thing he's probably

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not with us tonight he may be more free

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tongued at the moment than he normally

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that that's probably a little bit in

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store rocky rocky's pretty hard-nosed

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um

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how would i put this when we first

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started doing radio together

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he had never done politics he'd never

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done any of that stuff he never knew any

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never even knew what approach to take

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and now

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in a sense we created a monster out of

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him because he's his own juggernaut when

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it comes to all of that right now so uh

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he's going to be a lot of fun for you to

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talk with and and have on and you know

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we're i appreciate you joining us after

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breakfast uh and again apologize to your

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wife uh for me for taking you away from

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from the family affair on a saturday and

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the saturday morning cartoons if uh you

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know if we still have i'm not even sure

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if they still if they're still out there

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but uh you know it'll be a pleasure to

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have you back on and be able to uh to

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talk politics as a canadian observing

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the americans right now it will be

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amazing because we don't talk about

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politics here on the den of lore on the

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hangover though we talk paul we talk

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whatever so that's that's part of the

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fun uh you know scotty i want to thank

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you very much again for for taking the

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time to join us uh this afternoon or

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this evening uh it's evening for you

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there

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and you know i will i'm looking very

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forward to having you on the show

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tomorrow morning

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uh it sounds good you're gonna have to

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remind me of the time again i'm sure

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it's on my calendar but uh what time do

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you need me in the morning we usually do

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it around 11 o'clock 11 o'clock-ish

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eastern 10 p.m your time you know like

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after breakfast give me a call tell me

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when you're ready and then we'll kind of

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converge and stumble over to our

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computers and you know

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get them going and then we'll we'll

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we'll get it go we'll get it going that

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sounds a lot better than 7 a.m so

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11 it is well it's appreciated again

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thank you very much mr mr scotty roberts

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uh ladies and gentlemen thanks for

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and aaron how are you doing

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i'm doing good i'm doing good uh now i

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did

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i i again thank you very much for for

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for joining us again and and uh

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joining us through us joining with us on

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the opening program and again i do

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apologize for the technical issues i'm

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not sure if it was my mixer or if it was

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the encoding software either way if if

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something is made by man

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it must be infallible

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that is the nature of the beast as it

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were

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now

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i i'm going to introduce uh you two

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to the ladies and gentlemen at home um

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you have a quite the amazing and

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well-written bio uh and so for all

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ladies and gentlemen at home uh aaron

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sheik a phd is a scholar of comparative

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religion philosophy and esotericism

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for

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excuse me

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a former president of the international

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john gebser society from 2013 to 2015 he

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received his doctorate in religious

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studies from the university of

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queensland in 2011 for his work on

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french hermetic philosopher renee

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schwartz de luz outside the academy

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aaron has been trained in the pr

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preparation of spanish spaghetti

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spiderik thank you very much alex

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elixirs uh and i'm not even going to try

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and pronounce those two but alex if you

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of

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buddhism which is actually pretty cool

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uh he president lives in

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karakiri on the rugged west coast of new

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zealand you lucky son of a gun because

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we're getting snow here today uh where

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he maintains an active interest in tea

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wine poetry typography something you and

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i actually share an alchemy something

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you you and alex actually share

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uh dr cheek is author and editor of

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alchemical traditions from antiquity to

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the avant-garde

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published to 2013 and founding director

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of

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rubido press

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and again you can check out

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aaronchic.com

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for more information as well as we do

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have more websites in the list in the

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show notes to go check out uh all you

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need to from uh dr cheek so welcome to

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the program thank you for coming on the

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den of lore uh it's a privilege and an

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honor to have you on the show with us

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today

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no it's good to be here i i really love

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the the premise of of the show where you

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can drink scotch and and talk

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esotericism

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yeah that was

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yeah

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know that you've got a good um a good

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glasses a bottle of scotch you went

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shopping for a single malt uh today and

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uh you wanted to be able to join in in

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the fun and you were the first person

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that i think

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actually has joined us to drink scotch

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on the show

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besides our guests of course some people

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have drinking drink whiskey what what do

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you have with you

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i do i got a pic yesterday afternoon i

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picked up a bottle of lagavulin

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uh the 16 year

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yeah i mean

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so i just um i've just been wrapping up

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a a book release which

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pretty much just came together in the

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last week

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and

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uh when you mentioned you know

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drinking water on the show

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but well as a as a way of celebrating

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wrapping up this book release and um

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you know going on the show i thought i'd

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um

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yeah treat myself to a bottle of like

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villain

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which is

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probably one of the better whiskies i've

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had to be honest um i'm not

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a a massive whiskey connoisseur but

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that's that's up there was the better

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uh the best in my experience

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lego vullen it's it's a very peaty

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scotch and

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you can enjoy it very well

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but every single time i enjoy it i

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always enjoy it after i've already had

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several other different types of

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scotches and it's always at the tail end

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of the night and it's usually that

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scotch that just tips me right over the

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edge and it always gives me a massive

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hangover so i had to stop drinking it

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okay i i generally recommend if you're

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looking if you want to be able to get

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into scotches lag of woolen is good i

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anything from the space sides

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generally speaking they're a little

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smoother there a lot of them are

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considered quote unquote starter

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scotches but you can get the later years

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and they're they're as smooth as butter

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with a little burning right here that

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that warmth you feel uh after you know a

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good a good glass and it just it just

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loosens you right up so for all those

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that are out there uh you know that's

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why we we've got uh you know bottle

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glenfiddich no they're not a sponsor

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we just like it a lot

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um

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but still

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for

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everyone listening at home i know that

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now if glenn fittick is watching

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we're open to suggestions

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on sponsors

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now how did you start

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your journey in

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esotericism and mysticism and

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starting to to study uh schwaller

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right um

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it's a good question i

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i guess when i was

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uh in my teens i i was always

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i was more of an artist

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and i was i didn't really have any

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academic aspirations at all and uh i was

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more interested in art and music and

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as i got into my late teens my tastes

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just got weirder and stranger and i was

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just drawn to

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i guess

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uh very dark

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and unusual and strange forms of music

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art and media anything you know anything

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that's kind of pushing the envelope as

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it were

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um

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and i just followed those affinities and

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eventually it led me to

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i guess occult imagery and

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and that and that really opened me up

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and

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that opened me up into um

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i guess

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at

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which was an entry point for me it's not

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really where i where i am today

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but um it was an entry point and that

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and then i realized there was a

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intellectual philosophical component

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to that

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you know what was initially this this

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instinctual impulse of mind

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um

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yeah and so and i i kind of had a shift

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i was always and

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uh i had this i always had an artistic

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temperament and then

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in my early 20s i was that shifted into

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music and i was you know running around

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playing in bands for a while

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and then some years after that my my

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creative uh emphasis shifted again into

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a more intellectual domain and i started

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taking

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this stuff more seriously and started

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researching the foundations of

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of these things that i was drawn to and

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eventually yeah i just became

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um i i had this innate sort of

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tendency for

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scholarly rigor and i wanted to get to

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the bottom of

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uh i want to go to the sources all the

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time and see see where everything came

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from and to know its origins and that

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process led me deeper and deeper

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to the point where i thought well i

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might as well go to university and get

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some credit for this all this kind of

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research and writing i'm already doing

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and that's how i wound up

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going i mean by the time i was 24 i

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had started university uh so but i had

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several years of

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just being a

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i kind of gets the freelance

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esoteric researcher

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and that kind of gave me the

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foundational research skills which

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really

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did did me well for university i was

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already a good researcher and writer

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before i even did my first undergraduate

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course

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so

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00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,679
and really the academic path for me is

559
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,520
an extension of my

560
00:20:17,909 --> 00:20:16,080
esoteric quest i would say because it's

561
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:17,919
um

562
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,080
it was a means of deepening uh deepening

563
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,840
and making more

564
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,000
rigorous um

565
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:25,840
you know my

566
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:28,400
my question to the into esoteric

567
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,720
traditions

568
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:33,120
and you you went to school like you're

569
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:34,559
in new zealand right now but you went to

570
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:36,880
school on the gold coast uh is is that

571
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,240
correct

572
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:40,000
yeah i went to high school on the gold

573
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,159
coast of all places yeah

574
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:43,919
yeah um

575
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,679
yeah i i was born in new zealand uh and

576
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,039
but

577
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,880
my parents moved to to the gold coast

578
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:52,240
when i was

579
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,240
you know in my mid teens

580
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,080
so my i

581
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:58,159
my entire high school experience was was

582
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,840
in australia and

583
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:03,360
um yeah i've always had an ambiguous

584
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,039
relationship with australia i never felt

585
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,159
that i fitted in in terms of

586
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:09,840
the

587
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,039
like that always longed to be somewhere

588
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,919
else and uh

589
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:21,520
but yeah recently i felt the call to

590
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:22,400
come

591
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,840
home to

592
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:26,159
to new zealand at least

593
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,200
and

594
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,120
yeah i finally

595
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,520
made the move about four months ago end

596
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,280
of last year

597
00:21:37,110 --> 00:21:35,679
um and wound up here in carrie curry

598
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,120
which is on the the west coast of

599
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:38,799
auckland and

600
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:39,760
it's

601
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,960
for uh by the white hackery rangers

602
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:48,640
which is this beautiful

603
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,870
mostly manuka trees you know you've

604
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,400
probably heard of manuka honey we have

605
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:56,960
these manuka trees where the bees get

606
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:57,760
you know

607
00:22:03,909 --> 00:21:59,679
the manuka honey

608
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,919
um the italians do uh an acacia honey

609
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,760
all right interesting which i saw when i

610
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,480
was over there last summer

611
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,000
so and i bet

612
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,400
you've even got a friend here here who's

613
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,400
a who's a beekeeper and he's all he's

614
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:16,880
very um

615
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,960
uh holistic in his whole approach to

616
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,559
beekeeping so it's kind of it's kind of

617
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,960
cool to see that process but um

618
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,720
yeah i know it's kind of like a i've

619
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,080
wound up here and it's this beautiful

620
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,000
spot overlooking the ocean it's like

621
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:30,640
spectacular views it's

622
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:31,440
it's

623
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,159
crazy but um

624
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,640
it's a perfect kind of retreat for me to

625
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,559
and since i've been here i've been

626
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,960
wrapping up some freelance translation

627
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,159
projects

628
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,799
in order to buy time to um get back to

629
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,159
my own writing

630
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,080
and publishing projects and so for the

631
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:53,679
last

632
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,039
month or so uh i've been

633
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,280
sort of solidly back on my own work

634
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:01,200
which is which feels really good and

635
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,640
i've actually just really as i said i've

636
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,480
just released a book

637
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,720
uh this this past week which i've just

638
00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:08,320
announced literally just announced it

639
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:11,840
before coming on this show well um

640
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,840
so yeah if you poke around there'll be

641
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,400
some links um

642
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:18,240
but yeah it's a good it's a really good

643
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,159
space to be in uh

644
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,600
i'm feeling

645
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,440
kind of weird and rush it's taken this

646
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,760
you know it's taken a while to get here

647
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,880
like

648
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:28,720
not just literally uh literally in terms

649
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,480
of getting to new zealand but also

650
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,240
slogging through the the freelance work

651
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:34,480
i've had to do to buy time to

652
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,559
get back to my creative work you know

653
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:38,400
but no now that i'm here it's great it's

654
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:40,400
great now for

655
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:41,440
you you know so there there's a

656
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,880
difference between australia and new

657
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:45,120
zealand is this like this is this mostly

658
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,320
cultural or do you know it's like

659
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,799
they're uh you know as somebody who has

660
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,559
been interested in the esoteric for

661
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,720
quite some time uh like do you notice

662
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,559
the difference in in the individuals in

663
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,400
terms of their connection to

664
00:24:00,390 --> 00:23:58,960
uh you know

665
00:24:01,909 --> 00:24:00,400
well either whether you want to call the

666
00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:01,919
other world the spiritual world what

667
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,280
have you is like you feel more homo in

668
00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:06,880
new zealand either because it's home or

669
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,280
is it a spiritual thing

670
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,039
kind of it's it's funny now that i've

671
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:16,149
is there a different cultural operating

672
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,520
system in new zealand even though it's

673
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,840
so close by to australia yeah they're

674
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,880
different i mean it's like saying it's

675
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,679
comparable to this the difference

676
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:27,600
between canada and america or not you

677
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:33,350
very close but you wouldn't i mean to

678
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,039
the external observer they may be

679
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,679
similar but you ask a canadian or an

680
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,840
american and they're like no we're very

681
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:40,720
different

682
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,679
um

683
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:43,200
it's it's kind of like that there is a

684
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,440
friendly rivalry between australia and

685
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,600
new zealand which sometimes

686
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,440
can get unfriendly

687
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,960
but

688
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:52,159
yeah i

689
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:59,200
zealanders here will you know more than

690
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,799
one new zealander here when you mention

691
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,480
australians they say ah they're all

692
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,600
they're all just criminals you know

693
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,880
they're all like they're not doing

694
00:25:07,150 --> 00:25:06,559
hackers in the street or anything at

695
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,160
each other

696
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:09,440
[Laughter]

697
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,320
um

698
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,480
like the rugby yeah so you know there's

699
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,080
so i say that again i said they're not

700
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:16,080
doing hakas in the street like the rugby

701
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,279
players do

702
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,000
at each other yeah

703
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,600
the all blacks hacker

704
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,000
oh i've seen them oh akka right right on

705
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,080
the rugby fields yeah

706
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:28,400
yeah i've seen that uh i don't encounter

707
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,559
it on the streets

708
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,799
yet but um alex if you do you have to

709
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:34,159
just like go run in the other direction

710
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,840
just don't get involved because you know

711
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,440
some stuff's going down

712
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,870
there's definitely a difference in

713
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:43,039
temperament you know as much as you can

714
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:45,200
generalize about a whole nation

715
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:46,080
um

716
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:47,120
there's definitely difference in

717
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,480
temperament

718
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,440
it's kind of the same thing with

719
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,200
canadians you know

720
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:53,120
there is always the joke that it's it's

721
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,720
always cold up here in canada like well

722
00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:56,640
it's the end of march it's the last day

723
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,840
of march and well surprise

724
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,600
we're getting 10 centimeters of snow in

725
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,640
the next 24 hours so uh yeah certain

726
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,640
things tend to be that way and you know

727
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,240
if they're

728
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:10,080
there there's always the the stereotype

729
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:11,760
of well we you know all canadians like

730
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:13,120
hockey i'm like i actually don't watch

731
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:14,799
hockey all that much i prefer ufc

732
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,600
personally um but

733
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,120
in in terms of you know the things that

734
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,880
kind of keep keep ever keeps everyone

735
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,960
the same it's it's the at least i find

736
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,559
it's our ability to

737
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,640
think beyond just the physical side of

738
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,480
humanity and think more towards the

739
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,559
spiritual connection you know what what

740
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,320
makes us the the same as individuals

741
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,840
which is more towards our ability to

742
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:36,159
care our ability to seek knowledge our

743
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,360
ability to

744
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,480
uh you know

745
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,000
yearn for truth that's something that's

746
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:41,919
ubiquitous um

747
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,440
you know

748
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,559
pretty much throughout any culture at

749
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,039
least to at least to my knowledge uh

750
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:48,480
yeah yeah

751
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,320
yeah i think um

752
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:52,159
schwaller actually makes this comment

753
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,279
that he says the land shapes the man

754
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,640
and um

755
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,720
that's that's i think that runs deeper

756
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:00,080
than

757
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:05,039
i was born in new zealand but i've lived

758
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:06,720
longer in australia you know i've lived

759
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,600
i lived an entire saturn cycle a 28-year

760
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,720
cycle

761
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,200
in australia and uh

762
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,640
you know that has the landscape in in it

763
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:18,159
in a natural sense but also in a

764
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,279
spiritual sense has an impact impact on

765
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:22,559
shaping your

766
00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:26,159
psyche i i think and um

767
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,840
as well as you know cultural influences

768
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:29,200
that's another layer

769
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,390
a stoic philosophy yeah

770
00:27:40,390 --> 00:27:38,480
yeah it could be um

771
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:40,400
but i i did it i have experienced that

772
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,400
so like as much as i've

773
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,760
i feel

774
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:46,640
new zealand is more my home uh in some

775
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:49,039
sense i i really have to acknowledge

776
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:49,919
that

777
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,880
australia has has had its uh shaping

778
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,480
influence on me you know

779
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,840
um

780
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,080
and yeah i've got family in australia so

781
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,760
i i have connections there um so it's

782
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,279
i don't want to perpetuate this kind of

783
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,720
like uh

784
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,480
dichotomous rivalry between the two

785
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,080
countries so although it's fun to kind

786
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,520
of play with sometimes

787
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:12,960
we can i'm not sure if you guys have

788
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,480
seen the flight of the concords yes

789
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:18,159
there's an episode where they've got the

790
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,520
the war against these you know the

791
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,520
australians and they're like we're in a

792
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,440
race war you know the new zealanders

793
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,640
versus australians oh well my sister

794
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,880
my sister lives in melbourne and you

795
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,399
know like well she's she's from canada

796
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,760
and we're aware of croatian descent so

797
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,880
there's a lot of

798
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,720
a lot of mixture of potential cultures

799
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,720
and perspectives there and she's just

800
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,039
like yeah i came in i adopted my

801
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,360
australian football team with my husband

802
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,039
and we just kind of you know i stay out

803
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,440
of it like we're croatian canadian with

804
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:47,440
australian and if the news you know the

805
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,640
new zealanders want to be able to do

806
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,799
their thing that's fine

807
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,679
and

808
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,760
it's it's interesting to see her because

809
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,120
now she actually has an australian

810
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:57,200
accent at least a little bit you go down

811
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,960
there and so she's adopted that that

812
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:00,320
that point

813
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:01,279
um

814
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,039
my interest is with like you spent some

815
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,720
time in europe as well as is that

816
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,559
correct if i'm not mistaken or i may

817
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,159
have heard that yeah i've traveled to

818
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:11,360
europe um i haven't lived there for

819
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:13,039
you know i've only traveled there but

820
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,640
definitely yeah

821
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,480
i did a lot i did some of my i did my

822
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,880
phd research in europe so i i was kind

823
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:20,240
of

824
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:25,120
schwaller in some sense i was tracking

825
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,559
down some of his

826
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:28,960
the places he lived and worked

827
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,039
so i went to uh

828
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,880
san marin which is in actually in

829
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:35,039
switzerland uh

830
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,320
where he

831
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:38,559
he founded the kind of the scientific

832
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:40,880
station of zuhalia it was kind of an

833
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,520
alchemical laboratory and workstation a

834
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:46,240
spiritual and initiatory retreat

835
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,679
he made alchemical uh preparations there

836
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,520
and it's it's way it's it's in

837
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,360
samarita's like

838
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:55,520
nietzsche nietzsche actually lived there

839
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:00,000
uh and uh he nature said of cemeritz he

840
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:03,840
said it's 6 000 feet beyond man and time

841
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:06,720
and it's way up in the alps

842
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,799
it's just it's amazing you know

843
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,240
so i went there and i went to a place on

844
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,159
the um

845
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,640
azure coast just about 20 minutes from

846
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,159
nice

847
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,000
uh called as

848
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:22,080
it's a small little fortified village

849
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,440
called ed

850
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:25,840
and the arms of that village

851
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,520
um

852
00:30:31,590 --> 00:30:29,039
schwaller draws attention to the arms of

853
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,600
this village because it shows a phoenix

854
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,240
rising from a human femur or human thigh

855
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,520
bone

856
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,480
and the and the motto inscribed on that

857
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:41,600
emblem says moriendo renascore which

858
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:42,559
means

859
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,039
in dying i am reborn

860
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,679
so it has this whole alchemical

861
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,640
rebirth motif this is this idea of power

862
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,399
and genesis you're born from your bones

863
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:54,399
and your ashes uh into

864
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,520
a new being but yeah that i mean i was

865
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,840
so that yeah that was um

866
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,440
very much a part of my

867
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:02,720
trip to europe it was very much

868
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:04,960
following in the footsteps of

869
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:07,600
schwala de liubich nature to some degree

870
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,919
and john gibson who was another figure

871
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,679
i was studying

872
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,440
i was listening to one of your other

873
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,840
interviews before the show and kind of

874
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,840
something that caught my curiosity if i

875
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,039
could maybe

876
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,960
conjure up a detail you were talking

877
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,559
about before but it was something about

878
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:24,720
schwaller and he was talking about

879
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,679
i think the word thick salts

880
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:30,320
is an alchemical idea

881
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,990
that i did it was fixed salts or fixed

882
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:39,360
salts

883
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:40,399
yeah yeah

884
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,279
um

885
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,200
that's the idea it does come up in

886
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,120
schwaller it's in this

887
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:47,200
magnum opus the temple of man the the

888
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,120
big the volume one um

889
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,120
the main place where it gets

890
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,440
explored is in the

891
00:32:02,549 --> 00:31:58,320
memoir by andre vandenbroeck

892
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,559
it's a book called alchemy uh

893
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:05,600
was published in 1987. and

894
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,080
andre even broke was a

895
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,640
belgian american guy who came into

896
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,720
contact with schwaller

897
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:14,720
in the kind of a couple of years before

898
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,240
you schwaller died so this is in 1959

899
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,320
1960 maybe

900
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,919
and he spent he was kind of in daily

901
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,840
contact with schwaller in the last years

902
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,679
of schwab's life

903
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,240
so and shwala kind of conveyed all this

904
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:30,480
essentially alchemical information to

905
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:33,440
this guy who wasn't really an alchemist

906
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,480
or anything

907
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,880
but he just received this whole

908
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:39,120
lubitchian download i suppose you could

909
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,840
say

910
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:43,919
and and uh i think

911
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,070
like years later um

912
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,480
he wrote this memoir of this this whole

913
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,480
experience and it's just like it's a

914
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:56,799
gold mine of

915
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,840
of schwaller's you know detailed

916
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:01,840
alchemical beliefs and among you know

917
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,880
what

918
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,120
really chief of place among those was

919
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:07,120
this idea of the fixed salt you know

920
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:08,880
it's this mineral

921
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,240
it's the mineral layer of being uh so

922
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,760
for schwaller he says we've got now

923
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,960
bones

924
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,880
you know the mineral aspect of our being

925
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,880
we have there's part of us that cannot

926
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,399
be destroyed

927
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,600
you know

928
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,399
um so if you burn bones down to ashes

929
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:26,000
and ash you can't you know you burn

930
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,519
ashes you get mineral salts

931
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,760
yeah it's these alkaline salts in the

932
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,320
ashes that um i mean you just burn those

933
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,559
things and they don't you can't destroy

934
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:38,000
them you can lose them you can you know

935
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:39,120
they can get

936
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:41,039
dispersed but you can't actually destroy

937
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:42,080
them

938
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:42,880
and

939
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:44,480
this was this representative

940
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,840
fundamentally

941
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,399
mineral layer of existence which

942
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,200
is immutable and he's he swallowers

943
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:52,799
claim was that

944
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,679
our actual our embodied consciousness

945
00:34:01,110 --> 00:33:57,679
is somehow inscribed

946
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:01,120
on this immortal mineral nucleus

947
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,159
um

948
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,840
and that was the means by which our

949
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:05,760
consciousness or at least the most

950
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:08,560
important moments of consciousness

951
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:11,440
uh transmitted beyond our death

952
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:12,399
now the thing with the thing with

953
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,760
consciousness and i'm more of a

954
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,919
philosopher alex is more of the the

955
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,480
alchemist or you know the alchemical

956
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:21,040
salt crystals dmt crystals he's born

957
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,919
along that side i'm more of the

958
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,399
philosopher and symbolist uh

959
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,000
you know i've listened to a lot of

960
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,879
graham hancock's um uh discussions on

961
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,879
consciousness and you know a lot of uh

962
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,159
terence mckenna's work i've been

963
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,919
starting to get into that with regards

964
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,000
to how you know certain uh you know

965
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,040
drugs or certain uh substances can like

966
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,960
ayahuasca which is dmt

967
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:43,760
uh can can melt your mental operating

968
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:46,240
system or at least be able to shift into

969
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,599
you know into that different plane and

970
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,359
it it's brought into

971
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,119
uh question what you know what

972
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,800
consciousness is as a whole whether

973
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:53,919
continent

974
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,200
that kind of leads into the whole idea

975
00:34:59,589 --> 00:34:56,879
is consciousness attached to spirit are

976
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,599
they one in the same or are they they

977
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:02,640
separate things uh and kind of the main

978
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,160
point for me and a lot of other people

979
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:06,079
and alex you know may know a little bit

980
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:07,440
about this but i'm kind of a layman when

981
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,920
it comes to um you know some of the the

982
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,839
more esoteric uh

983
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,000
teachings like for gnosticism and you

984
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,320
know hermeticism

985
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,079
i'm a freebase and i'm a 32nd degree but

986
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,680
i focused more on the

987
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:21,520
uh the symbolist side of things instead

988
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,560
of you know going off on on tangents and

989
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,640
a lot of people tend to

990
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,280
interchange hermeticism and and you know

991
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,680
pythagorean ism or uh you know the

992
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:33,520
pythagorean systems or

993
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,320
alchemy or you know the uh other

994
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:39,680
esoteric arts out there uh how how does

995
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,880
one start to kind of untangle this ball

996
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,400
of of

997
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,560
of teachings like what what where

998
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,800
where's the first step

999
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:49,680
right

1000
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:50,880
well

1001
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,680
for me at least i i i'm very interested

1002
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:56,000
in tracing the

1003
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,560
the egyptian origins of hermeticism and

1004
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:01,280
and how some how that unfolds from there

1005
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,400
um

1006
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,200
and i think you know generally you're

1007
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,320
you know

1008
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,200
i mean a lot of esoteric traditions

1009
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,000
like to trace their origin to egypt you

1010
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:14,720
know uh it's it's a theme that comes up

1011
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,839
even in

1012
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,400
in european times and i'm sure in

1013
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,280
freemasonry as in rosicrucianism and

1014
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:22,560
almost

1015
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,680
you know

1016
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,160
most of these traditions

1017
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:30,000
claim an egyptian origin of some kind um

1018
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,960
now

1019
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:32,880
historically a lot of it is hard to

1020
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:34,320
justify

1021
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,520
but

1022
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,760
with hermeticism when when you look back

1023
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,280
at the

1024
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,119
we have a hermetic corpus written in

1025
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,599
greek and and partially in latin

1026
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,000
the corpus of medicine um

1027
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:48,640
now for a long time people

1028
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:52,880
thought that was older than plato

1029
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,240
and they they attributed

1030
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,920
hermes hermes uh trust me justice a

1031
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,720
greater antiquity than plato himself uh

1032
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,000
and plato you know it's like fifth

1033
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,359
century

1034
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:08,960
bce athens um so when

1035
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,760
marcelia facino came to translate

1036
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,640
to hermetica in in uh in renaissance

1037
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,240
times

1038
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,240
uh he

1039
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,520
it was the medicis who kind of

1040
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,359
patronized him and said

1041
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,720
so what he was when they the

1042
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:26,560
some of the it was a renaissance it was

1043
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,400
a rebirth of classical wisdom and and

1044
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,599
they were translating

1045
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,520
uh

1046
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,839
the hermetica before plato because they

1047
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:37,119
thought the hermetica was older than

1048
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:39,440
plato

1049
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,359
um but

1050
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,520
after you know philologists later later

1051
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,480
came along and went well for all these

1052
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,760
reasons

1053
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,560
uh

1054
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,599
hermetica seem to be

1055
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,440
dateable to like the early centuries of

1056
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:55,280
the common era they're not as old as

1057
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:56,160
they

1058
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,040
um and which is true i mean the actual

1059
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,440
texts were written down in the in the in

1060
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,800
late antiquity in the hellenistic period

1061
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,000
um

1062
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,510
what

1063
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:13,200
happens when you look at the content of

1064
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:14,960
those texts there's a lot of things the

1065
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,920
thing is when you're dating texts

1066
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,680
you can date a text to a certain period

1067
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,400
but it's like the ideas in those texts

1068
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:23,920
uh go back

1069
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,839
can go back a lot further and that's

1070
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,520
exactly the case with the corpus of

1071
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:28,640
medicine

1072
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,030
a danish egyptologist uh called eric

1073
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:38,880
everson who did a fantastic study called

1074
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:44,870
um sorry i think about an egyptian and

1075
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:49,520
hermetic cosmology but anyway um

1076
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,640
he did this like detailed comparison of

1077
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,359
uh the egyptian shabbat stone which is

1078
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,079
the memphis cosmology

1079
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:00,320
uh the the cosmo egyptian cosmology are

1080
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:01,200
uh

1081
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,640
arising

1082
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:04,240
from

1083
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,280
the town of memphis and egypt

1084
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,560
he rigorously compared that with the

1085
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,640
hermetic corpus

1086
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,400
and showed how these

1087
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,200
not only broad themes are very very

1088
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,280
similar but also in levels of detail

1089
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:21,119
which you know i can't even go into here

1090
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:22,480
uh there's these

1091
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,640
deep coherences between these texts

1092
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,880
uh enough to show

1093
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,079
uh

1094
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,760
really that

1095
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,760
there is a genuine egyptian origin of

1096
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:35,119
the hermetic

1097
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:36,320
um

1098
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,440
text and the texts themselves uh

1099
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,440
the texts themselves actually say this

1100
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,480
you know

1101
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,960
um but on the other so if we if we have

1102
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:46,160
this idea that

1103
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:47,839
the the corpus of medicine can be

1104
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,480
legitimately traced to egyptian origins

1105
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,280
or egyptian cosmological kind of

1106
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:54,400
uh

1107
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,520
teachings

1108
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,800
um

1109
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,440
that pairs up very well with accounts of

1110
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,160
plato and pythagoras

1111
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,960
um going to learn

1112
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,960
going to the egyptia going to egypt and

1113
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,720
learning from the

1114
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,800
from the temple priests

1115
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:12,240
okay we have we have accounts and

1116
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,800
antiquity of that pythagoras and plato

1117
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:16,560
among others

1118
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,320
learnt directly from the egyptian

1119
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,200
priests uh in the temples so

1120
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:22,960
there's a sense that the egyptian temple

1121
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:26,320
knowledge the temple wisdom and the the

1122
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:30,160
the sacred arts the oz hieratica

1123
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,119
uh

1124
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,280
did come down to the greek world

1125
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,119
through you know people like plato and

1126
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,640
pythagoras but also through uh in later

1127
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:41,599
antiquity when the temples closed

1128
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,720
um

1129
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,640
a lot of these traditions flooded out

1130
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,720
into the hellenistic world and the

1131
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:49,119
corpus medicine was one of those

1132
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,320
uh streams the greek magical primary was

1133
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:55,200
another one the gnostic texts that now

1134
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,839
kamadi turn up around the same time

1135
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,760
we have all this this um

1136
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:02,000
there's also very obvious architectural

1137
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,720
influences on the ionic columns and

1138
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,720
things of that nature

1139
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:08,160
yeah so so

1140
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:09,359
um

1141
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,079
you know there are and that forms a you

1142
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:13,920
know historical basis in late antiquity

1143
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,160
but also with deeper roots

1144
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:17,760
where you can where you can start to

1145
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,000
make a legitimate uh claim that what is

1146
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,760
egyptian wisdom that was streaming into

1147
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,119
the world

1148
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,520
during it during its heyday or late it's

1149
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,680
late heyday but also when the temple

1150
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:31,520
temple started to close and become

1151
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,790
yeah and what what's interesting there

1152
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:38,880
is that um

1153
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,280
especially with the greek magical papyri

1154
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:44,640
it becomes very syncretistic

1155
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,150
greek mythology woven in with

1156
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:52,800
hebrew by names and as well as egyptian

1157
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,000
invocations and uh it's you know it's

1158
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,920
um all the stops are pulled out and they

1159
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,240
just go kind of wild and and

1160
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,040
blended all together you know now uh

1161
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,480
wayne uh one of our uh chatters in

1162
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:07,680
one of our

1163
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,000
denizens who are in our youtube chat who

1164
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,400
uh we we get questions from from our

1165
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,000
listeners uh to be able to ask directly

1166
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,240
to our guests and he actually had a very

1167
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,079
good one and you spoke of the uh you

1168
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,160
know

1169
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,040
it was the the corpus hermeticum uh what

1170
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:25,680
is the recommended or most accurate

1171
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,640
uh

1172
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,000
translation that you would that you

1173
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,359
would say would that people should

1174
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,440
should get or start with

1175
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,560
okay this there's probably two

1176
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:36,560
well there's the three main translations

1177
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,560
um

1178
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,200
in english uh there is a walter scott

1179
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,440
hermetica which

1180
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,680
is problematic in terms of its

1181
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,040
for a number of reasons in terms of its

1182
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,480
translations

1183
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,920
um

1184
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,000
but it's good because it gives you the

1185
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,520
greek text

1186
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,520
yeah if you want to look at the greek

1187
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,400
you can

1188
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,680
but for most people that's a little bit

1189
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,440
too technical uh

1190
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,680
he also made a lot of changes and you

1191
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,319
know amendments to the and

1192
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,240
which which is a large

1193
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,160
really that's where the problematic

1194
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,400
aspect of his work comes from

1195
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:13,760
he went he wanted to sort of change

1196
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,119
things to fit how he thought about it um

1197
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,800
there's a translation by copenhagen

1198
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,960
which is pretty good

1199
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,880
um and there's one i think i always

1200
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,920
forget the actual name it was it's um

1201
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,359
it was a team of translators there was

1202
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:30,960
two or three people that translated and

1203
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,599
it's called the way of hermes

1204
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,880
uh the

1205
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:37,440
the the book is called the way of hermes

1206
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,720
um

1207
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,040
and it also includes a text called the

1208
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:43,520
hermetic definitions which

1209
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:45,520
was translated by a french scholar

1210
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,640
called

1211
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,400
mahe

1212
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:49,920
um

1213
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,520
so that has another text in it that you

1214
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:53,359
don't normally get in

1215
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,800
the other edition so he's a copenhagen's

1216
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:58,640
great and

1217
00:44:09,990 --> 00:43:59,599
the

1218
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,000
to if you want greek go to walter scott

1219
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:12,000
if you want greek and you read french go

1220
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,040
to um festergea knox edition

1221
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:16,560
um

1222
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,079
festa gea was the french translator and

1223
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,560
after darby knock

1224
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,920
the philologist the classical

1225
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,079
philologist to establish the greek text

1226
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:28,560
but i mean that's probably too technical

1227
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,960
for most people okay now

1228
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:33,119
one of the big things that i notice and

1229
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,880
even i made this uh mistake when i first

1230
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:38,240
got into

1231
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:39,200
uh

1232
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,359
esoteric teachings and whether it's a

1233
00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:43,839
mistake whether it's true uh the idea

1234
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:46,960
that that hermes thrice great

1235
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,119
is connected to thoth which some people

1236
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,440
will still connect to let's say enoch as

1237
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,480
uh

1238
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,839
you know as

1239
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:55,119
sometimes the names are are

1240
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,640
interchangeable

1241
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:58,880
how does one kind of

1242
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,520
sift through this and what is

1243
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,440
what is true because you know there are

1244
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,200
tons of websites out there that will say

1245
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,079
okay thoth thoth is hermes uh hermes is

1246
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,920
thoth and then say okay well all three

1247
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:11,599
are also enoch which

1248
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,599
is the entire which is you know

1249
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:14,880
potentially an entirely different kettle

1250
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,240
of fish and enoch is is uh um you know

1251
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,359
important in his teachings in

1252
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,839
freemasonry especially in scottish rite

1253
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,760
so is there a connection is there not a

1254
00:45:30,309 --> 00:45:24,960
connection

1255
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:31,270
um

1256
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:33,200
i see

1257
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,040
personally i

1258
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:37,359
i'm kind of i'm very sympathetic

1259
00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,240
to

1260
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,480
perennial philosophy

1261
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:41,680
um

1262
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,000
which is the idea that really like

1263
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,319
the kind of archetypal essence of a

1264
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:49,760
divinity

1265
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,520
can have different cultural expressions

1266
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,119
um

1267
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,200
and so but you know even back in the

1268
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,640
ancient world they had what was called

1269
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:00,960
an interpretation

1270
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,560
roman or greek

1271
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,560
interpretation where they would

1272
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:09,920
transpose gods from

1273
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,480
another pantheon into the into the there

1274
00:46:17,349 --> 00:46:16,319
are the gods they to the gods that they

1275
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,359
knew

1276
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,839
like zeus being jupiter et cetera et

1277
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,680
cetera certainly i mean it was well

1278
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,680
known and established was between greek

1279
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:26,079
and roman mythology but also the romans

1280
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,760
said this was when they encountered the

1281
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,520
germanic tribes you know when they were

1282
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,599
starting to expand in in

1283
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,680
to the north more northerly parts of

1284
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,960
europe

1285
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:37,280
that's part of what makes the alchemical

1286
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,349
all those yes all those spins on the

1287
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,230
i mean alchemy is really the path of

1288
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,800
extracting essences

1289
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:52,240
and

1290
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,440
if you do this in a comparative

1291
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,440
mythological sense but you know you've

1292
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,160
got you've got a million different forms

1293
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:00,720
of manifestation but how do you know

1294
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,160
how do you extract the essence of those

1295
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,160
what what is the the bedrock that you

1296
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:06,079
can you know

1297
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:07,040
was

1298
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,200
withdraw from that and i think that's

1299
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:11,760
important um

1300
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,720
you need to be able to

1301
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,359
distill the you know the nature of the

1302
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,880
divinity that you're you're trying to

1303
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,319
apprehend

1304
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:21,359
and

1305
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,800
but certainly among the greeks um

1306
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:27,040
they did they did

1307
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,839
link

1308
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,839
dead owned divinities to when they

1309
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,440
looked at egyptian divinities they often

1310
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:33,200
compared them to

1311
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,079
their own their own native divinities

1312
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:39,040
and so there's definitely um lines of

1313
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,640
connection that

1314
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,880
you can draw based on classical

1315
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:44,240
tradition rather than our own

1316
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:45,839
speculation

1317
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:49,040
um and the thoth hermes

1318
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:50,800
mercury

1319
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:54,079
uh connection is is a legitimate one

1320
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,400
i'm not so sure about enoch

1321
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:59,119
um it's just not an angle that i have

1322
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,800
explored

1323
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:02,800
i wouldn't rule it out my i've got my

1324
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,400
colleague i've got a colleague kyle

1325
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,200
fraser who um he's a specialist on

1326
00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:10,560
zosimos the alchemist the the egyptian

1327
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:12,520
alchemist

1328
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,760
is and um

1329
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,119
there's some interesting connections

1330
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:19,040
with

1331
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,640
uh zosomas in the book of enoch

1332
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,240
because in the book of enoch there's

1333
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,240
this passage which references the

1334
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,240
origins of alchemy

1335
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:30,480
and how the um

1336
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:31,760
the

1337
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,720
is essentially alchemy

1338
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,640
uh and this is the

1339
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,960
one of the myths of how alchemy comes

1340
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,200
into the world uh and that's in the book

1341
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,680
of enoch excuse the pun yeah

1342
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:52,880
which

1343
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,280
so like you give give us sex we will

1344
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,240
give you magic that was kind of you know

1345
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,880
the metaphysical type of whoring out

1346
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:02,400
i get the guessing of the human people

1347
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:03,440
yeah

1348
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:07,280
divine knowledge you know now we always

1349
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,400
try and get this out of the way here

1350
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,480
because uh the the ancient astronaut

1351
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,160
theory gets thrown a lot

1352
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,599
around a lot and you know we think it's

1353
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,599
a possibility legacy is the ultimate

1354
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:18,240
currency okay well true but at the same

1355
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,520
time the legacy that we're trying to be

1356
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,440
able to build here is one of rationality

1357
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,559
versus you know in spiritual

1358
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,200
spirituality with within within uh you

1359
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,359
know so somewhat scientific means

1360
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,559
um do how much credence do you place on

1361
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,000
the ancient astronaut or ancient aliens

1362
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,240
theory uh specifically i'm going to try

1363
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,760
and point towards the more reptilian

1364
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:39,760
aliens like do you think right the

1365
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,720
possible what do you think the

1366
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,640
possibility and i have to ask this just

1367
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:44,000
to get it out of the way we do it every

1368
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,520
single show

1369
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,280
do you think the queen is possibly a

1370
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,359
reptilian alien because we think that we

1371
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,880
think that's [\h__\h] personally that's

1372
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:52,400
something i ran against on a constant

1373
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:53,520
basis so

1374
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,760
i yeah that's not that's not the

1375
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,240
interpretation i would go for we rally

1376
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,559
against the uber conspiracy well yeah

1377
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,319
that's that's my this is a british

1378
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,839
understatement for now it's [\h__\h] you

1379
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,359
know um

1380
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:06,800
okay i

1381
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:08,240
i think um

1382
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,680
there's definitely like a you know

1383
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,559
comparative mythology definitely

1384
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,680
definitely points to

1385
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,000
something happening you know i mean it's

1386
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:19,680
this this enoch

1387
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,480
myth for instance is just one among many

1388
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,079
where you've got this

1389
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,319
you know beings coming from they call

1390
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:28,480
them gods you know

1391
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:31,760
or fallen angels um coming and and

1392
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:34,960
transmitting some kind of arcane gnosis

1393
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:38,319
or technology to humankind i mean that

1394
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,720
that is a you know comparative mythology

1395
00:50:43,990 --> 00:50:42,640
that is undeniable that is that

1396
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:44,000
something happened

1397
00:51:25,589 --> 00:50:44,800
i

1398
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,599
blunder of all these thousand forms of

1399
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,160
salvation you know there's three men in

1400
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,760
the room here that have attempted to

1401
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:31,440
digest uh

1402
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,359
you know a lot of what's down the rabbit

1403
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,000
hole on the internet and just where do

1404
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,920
we go in terms of function well that's

1405
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,960
the thing with the internet how do we

1406
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,960
move forward well that's why i stopped

1407
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,160
reading stuff on the internet this is

1408
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,359
one of the reasons why we have the show

1409
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,119
because we get people like aaron on here

1410
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:46,960
to be able to tell us because you know i

1411
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,880
can go on on a bunch of websites who are

1412
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,880
going to tell me a bunch of you know hui

1413
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,319
and why would i would do that when i've

1414
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:54,640
got somebody who's been spending his

1415
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,160
entire life you know teaching it so

1416
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,160
you know if the idea of

1417
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:01,760
the possibility of some type of contact

1418
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:03,280
or the the possibility of something

1419
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,480
whether it's spiritual whether it's

1420
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,200
metaphysical um you know whether it is

1421
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,440
extra planar and i'm speaking on very

1422
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,200
you know on very basic terms because

1423
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,800
there are a lot of a lot of the

1424
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,599
religious texts do deal with

1425
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,880
pretty much all of them actually deal

1426
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,880
with otherworldly contact from angels

1427
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,200
from from spirits or what have you i

1428
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,040
bring forward ezekiel as a perfect

1429
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:25,040
example of that i used to freak out my

1430
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,800
uh grade 11 religious teacher with that

1431
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,400
book

1432
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,440
um

1433
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,400
yeah yeah now the idea is is this

1434
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,800
something that was and i'm going to

1435
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:36,240
touch on gnosticism with this a little

1436
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,200
bit

1437
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,640
you know

1438
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:41,359
how how does this lead or how does the

1439
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,480
current

1440
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:44,400
modern interpretation to you

1441
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,079
deal with things like gnosticism in

1442
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:47,440
terms of

1443
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,280
uh you know the the demiurge and and how

1444
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,839
that how they viewed religions other

1445
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:56,319
religions at that time

1446
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:57,680
right well

1447
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,720
just i'll just back up for a brief step

1448
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:02,720
yeah i sometimes go a couple i'd like to

1449
00:53:08,230 --> 00:53:06,160
avoid the spaghetti chronology approach

1450
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,240
yeah okay let's definitely go down the

1451
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,720
gnosticism road but before we do i just

1452
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:12,720
want to clarify

1453
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:13,920
the issue

1454
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:16,800
my my main problem with the ancient

1455
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,160
alien argument is that it is

1456
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,520
um

1457
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,359
ultimately materialistic even though

1458
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:25,680
it's in a fantastic and unconventional

1459
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,839
way it's basically saying you know some

1460
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,599
beings from another planet got this

1461
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,920
technology and came and messed with us

1462
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:36,720
and seeded our civilization

1463
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,599
um i i you know at the end of the day

1464
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:41,599
it's got this kind of quasi scientific

1465
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:42,960
materialist

1466
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:46,000
slant to it which which is not how the

1467
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,880
ancients view divinities

1468
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,520
uh you know the divine the divine nature

1469
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,200
of reality is

1470
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,760
is divine and if you push

1471
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,599
this into a non-dualist

1472
00:54:01,109 --> 00:53:59,599
interpretation where the physical and

1473
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:01,119
the metaphysical are

1474
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,200
fundamentally interwoven you don't

1475
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:04,720
really need to make

1476
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,599
quasi-scientific

1477
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:08,240
justifications

1478
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,359
uh for this kind of thing

1479
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:16,230
does that make sense

1480
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,440
it does

1481
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,800
uh it's

1482
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,880
also a matter of if we're we're talking

1483
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,800
about gnosticism within within that

1484
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:25,440
regard

1485
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,280
so what lens do you want to use to look

1486
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:29,680
at it so is it is it we're all familiar

1487
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,079
with a few lenses here

1488
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,319
the gnosticism is a good one um i'm

1489
00:54:40,470 --> 00:54:37,680
happy to talk about that okay um

1490
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,480
what would you want to just give me your

1491
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:42,160
take on it just so i know where you're

1492
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,359
coming from because there's you know

1493
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,520
talking about gnosticism there can be 10

1494
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,400
different

1495
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,720
perspectives on it narcissism in turn in

1496
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,720
terms of being able to find you know

1497
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,400
fine truth finding that that second

1498
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:55,119
rebirth uh in terms of kind of you know

1499
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:56,319
having the

1500
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,160
are and what your place is within the

1501
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,520
universe at least that's kind of kind of

1502
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,960
how i you know kind of view that

1503
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,119
narcissism that that awakening of your

1504
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,240
own spirit and you know for me i i could

1505
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,240
say that i had my own gnostic and i'll

1506
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,640
use myself as an example in this because

1507
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:14,960
that's the best one i know i guess

1508
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,160
um you know i had my realization that

1509
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,480
the idea of you know the divine there

1510
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,720
was a great arc like you know

1511
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:24,000
there was a great architect that that

1512
00:55:27,190 --> 00:55:25,760
there's some intelligence whether fourth

1513
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:27,200
dimensional fifth dimensional what have

1514
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,400
you that somehow it manifested this

1515
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:32,640
three-dimensional universe into being

1516
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,599
now at the same time that person could

1517
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,280
be on you know there that being could be

1518
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,880
omniscient

1519
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,240
and be able to see everything and

1520
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,359
anything in this entire universe at once

1521
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,359
but there's no necessary possibility

1522
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,280
that he could be actually concerned with

1523
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,040
you know whether i am

1524
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,599
at 15 in the washroom with a magazine

1525
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,920
doing what 15 year olds in the washroom

1526
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,599
you know with a magazine do

1527
00:55:59,190 --> 00:55:57,680
and you know never mind what's going on

1528
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:59,200
in other places that have wars and what

1529
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:00,240
have you

1530
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,160
but there are you know other

1531
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:04,960
spiritualities that claim divinity

1532
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,640
through or you know divine right through

1533
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,000
some kind

1534
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,000
and that being seems to have had a

1535
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,880
direct hand within human uh evolution

1536
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,400
throughout some point

1537
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:16,880
so there's you know there there was a

1538
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:18,319
kind of a something i was trying to be

1539
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,520
able to to

1540
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:22,079
um figure out which was if there's an

1541
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:24,079
all all-knowing all-seeing being out

1542
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:25,359
there who is supposed to have created

1543
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:27,200
the entire universe why the hell is he

1544
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:28,480
going to care about

1545
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,119
you know x the small one small little

1546
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,160
xyz thing that i did when i was 15 and

1547
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,680
that thing would could potentially put

1548
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,920
me to hell i appreciate what aaron's

1549
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:39,599
doing here trying to peel back the

1550
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,960
layers of the onion on the term

1551
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:43,119
gnosticism gnosticism can mean the

1552
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,640
seekers of knowledge it can be a

1553
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,480
historical reference to the nakamati

1554
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,720
library okay well the writings of the

1555
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:50,799
gnostics you've got

1556
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,000
you can connect the dots with the

1557
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:54,319
essenes okay well understandable i'm

1558
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,359
trying to

1559
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,880
you've got the conceptualization of

1560
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,040
deity coming in here i'm trying to more

1561
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,040
parse it towards the idea of the actual

1562
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:03,760
you know the idea of awakening versus

1563
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,960
being able to understand the world

1564
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,359
versus the idea of

1565
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:09,839
let's say dog that has some type of

1566
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,079
divine background so the at the end of

1567
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:13,760
narcissism within the the idea of the

1568
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:18,160
text versus you know the history and

1569
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,680
are you following me on that or am i

1570
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:21,040
definitely have not given you a straight

1571
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:21,760
answer

1572
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,710
we're just

1573
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,760
it's good for me to know where you're

1574
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:29,520
coming from um

1575
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,240
no

1576
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,280
how you character characterize it is

1577
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,839
good for me i mean this idea notices

1578
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:38,480
in that sense of like it's um

1579
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:41,760
it's like what plato called anamnesis

1580
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:44,319
and anamnesis is was the greek word for

1581
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:45,440
memory

1582
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:48,079
it's a it's a remembering of your divine

1583
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:49,520
origin it's with that moment when you

1584
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,880
realize that

1585
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:52,640
you are an immortal soul you're not just

1586
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,240
this um contingent mortal being

1587
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,319
uh and so it's a it's a not just any

1588
00:58:02,630 --> 00:57:59,920
knowledge but it's a knowledge that that

1589
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,640
redeems or or saves you from

1590
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:05,119
your mortality in a way by remembering

1591
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,799
that you are

1592
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:09,520
ultimately immortal

1593
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:11,839
so that there's that form of gnosis

1594
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,160
which is knowledge but it's not just any

1595
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,160
knowledge it's it's divine redeeming

1596
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,240
it's it's knowledge of your your divine

1597
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:19,680
origin

1598
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,440
which in the gnostic texts is said to be

1599
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,359
higher than

1600
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,599
the demiurge you know the damage was

1601
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:30,480
this in the gnostic text the demiurge is

1602
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:31,359
a

1603
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,400
kind of

1604
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,559
evil creator god

1605
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:36,960
who created the material world as we

1606
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,000
know it and enslaved souls within it

1607
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:42,160
for its own devious purposes

1608
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:43,599
and

1609
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,880
of our divine origin um

1610
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:53,200
what's interesting there is that

1611
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:56,160
you get conflicting texts in the ancient

1612
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,240
world

1613
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,280
where the demiurge is either seen as a

1614
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,480
um

1615
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:05,280
a positive

1616
00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:09,040
or it's uh

1617
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,880
you know it's a maleficent

1618
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:11,920
yeah

1619
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,960
it's it's an evil deity so and this is

1620
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:17,119
there's two fundamental ways of looking

1621
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:21,280
at the cosmos or the world or cosmology

1622
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:24,400
um in a religious sense and one is um

1623
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,319
said to be world affirming

1624
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:28,480
so the cosmos of the world is good

1625
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:32,960
inherently or world denying where you go

1626
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:34,720
this this place is [\h__\h] i need to get

1627
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,599
out of here uh and get back to my

1628
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:40,400
spiritual origin and let all the

1629
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,040
chaos and sin and debauchery just go to

1630
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:44,880
hell you know there's so there's a

1631
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,160
dualistic way and uh a more

1632
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,119
i would call it a more non-dualistic way

1633
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:53,359
of understanding that

1634
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,760
of the cosmos and also the the role of

1635
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,520
the demiurge in it

1636
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,280
no so when you look at

1637
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:01,359
egyptian texts they they have the

1638
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,799
demiurge you know

1639
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,359
uh in the memphis uh the memphis

1640
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:07,119
cosmology

1641
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,440
um the god pitar

1642
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:12,000
was he was the craftsman god

1643
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:14,480
was the god created between

1644
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:17,920
the divine mind and and creation itself

1645
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:20,559
so the petal was uh

1646
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,559
yeah he was the craftsman god and what's

1647
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:24,319
interesting is the word demiurge in

1648
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:26,839
greek is the word for a

1649
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:29,760
craftsman plato uses this term as as the

1650
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,040
principle that mediates between the

1651
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:33,280
eternal and the transient

1652
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:35,839
uh you know the demiurge is so it's just

1653
01:00:40,150 --> 01:00:38,319
mediating principle between these two

1654
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:40,160
aspects of reality

1655
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,160
so if you see reality as of these two

1656
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:45,839
aspects of reality uh you know

1657
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,040
essentially you could blow it down to

1658
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:50,000
the the metaphysical and the physical

1659
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,520
and but you you they struck a a a mean

1660
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:55,839
term between these and this mean term is

1661
01:01:00,390 --> 01:00:58,319
the demiurge now if you're dualistic

1662
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,400
you'll see this is about seeing

1663
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,640
a limiting factor if you're more

1664
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:04,079
non-dualistic

1665
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:10,789
yeah it's a more positive life and there

1666
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,160
is evidence i mean

1667
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,319
you know the gnostic texts the narcomati

1668
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,920
texts and also the the hermetic corpus

1669
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:20,000
can often be very negative in their

1670
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:21,839
estimation of

1671
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,799
the demiurge and this you know material

1672
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:27,359
worldly life they can be very they often

1673
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,280
you often get the very dualistic

1674
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:31,920
negative slant on it

1675
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:33,280
and

1676
01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:38,240
pointed to the idea that even in the

1677
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:39,920
platonic texts

1678
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:42,319
uh that there's kind of a hierarchy of

1679
01:01:44,309 --> 01:01:43,280
reading

1680
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,319
where

1681
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:45,680
when you start out you read the more

1682
01:01:50,230 --> 01:01:47,920
dualistic kind of

1683
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:50,240
attitude or you know and then as you

1684
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:51,920
progress through the readings or the

1685
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,760
initiations you come to the more

1686
01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:56,240
non-dualistic understanding

1687
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:59,119
or reading and um

1688
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,799
that sort of makes sense you know that

1689
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:02,799
doesn't make a lot of sense to me

1690
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:05,359
uh so it's not like it's it's not static

1691
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,280
you know you move you start out going

1692
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,880
[\h__\h] this world is

1693
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,720
we're all mortal we're we're all gonna

1694
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,920
die

1695
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,079
um

1696
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:16,319
yeah the world doesn't fit neatly into a

1697
01:02:19,190 --> 01:02:17,920
generalization you sort of start out

1698
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:19,200
life saying oh

1699
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,960
the world is amazing and the world is

1700
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,480
terrible and then the world is good the

1701
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,240
world is bad

1702
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,400
uh you hate the physical world it's a

1703
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:28,480
dirty thing i just want spirituality

1704
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,040
where i hate spirituality it's it's it's

1705
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:32,960
fancy woo and i don't get anything done

1706
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:35,839
and it's sort of a luxury for

1707
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:38,640
people you can't uh

1708
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:40,400
you know it's you can be very quickly

1709
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,880
reminded of the the necessity of the

1710
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,400
physical world when you start going

1711
01:02:47,910 --> 01:02:46,799
hungry

1712
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,920
well that's one of the more interesting

1713
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,920
parts when i first started looking at

1714
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,440
you know when like when i first started

1715
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:53,119
getting into the esoteric traditions i

1716
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:54,480
always thought of the okay well you've

1717
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,599
got a heaven you've got a hell you know

1718
01:02:59,670 --> 01:02:57,760
the dualistic side and from there i was

1719
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:59,680
able to progress and at least understand

1720
01:03:01,910 --> 01:03:00,960
and you know

1721
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:01,920
this is something something i've been

1722
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,440
able to figure out myself or at least

1723
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,839
kind of decide upon for myself

1724
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,839
is you know everything's a trinity

1725
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:10,000
you've got your your you've got your

1726
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,040
you're good you've got your bad you've

1727
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:12,559
got everything in between which could be

1728
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,480
one thing it could be a hundred things

1729
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,480
but there's always those three sides

1730
01:03:21,190 --> 01:03:18,960
here there's the you know there's your

1731
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,200
side my side and the truth and those the

1732
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:23,760
the idea of dualism seems to be very old

1733
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:29,750
there are so many either potential

1734
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:31,119
shades of gray

1735
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,400
whether you're dealing with philosophy

1736
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,160
whether you're dealing with spirituality

1737
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,880
and the idea of the demiurge as you know

1738
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:39,119
a singular figure or creator god and uh

1739
01:03:41,910 --> 01:03:40,319
you know like looking at the gnostic

1740
01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:41,920
text yeah it's it's very it's very

1741
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,599
gloomy very pessimistic and it seems to

1742
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,319
have been created into time where that

1743
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:49,280
type of overall attitude

1744
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:51,440
was you know kind of prevalent in

1745
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,319
whether it's a potential reality or an

1746
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:56,000
actuality is still something that's up

1747
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,440
to debate but it's a pretty interesting

1748
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:58,799
philosophy

1749
01:04:05,029 --> 01:03:59,520
now

1750
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:05,039
this this evil trickster creator god who

1751
01:04:08,630 --> 01:04:06,720
has enslaved souls for his own nefarious

1752
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,640
purposes for all if you know for all of

1753
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,720
eternity but our souls are supposed to

1754
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,480
be eternal

1755
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:14,880
who created that demiurge and if our

1756
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,640
souls are supposed to be above him

1757
01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,119
what's beyond that is

1758
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:21,280
is that what um the teachings supposed

1759
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:23,119
to be able to lead towards

1760
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,720
yeah well i mean if you if you trace it

1761
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,640
back to egyptian

1762
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,799
cosmology i think that's the best place

1763
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,799
to really get some kind of bedrock on

1764
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,640
this question

1765
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,880
and this shibakuster you know or the

1766
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:36,559
memphis cosmology

1767
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:37,920
uh is

1768
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,760
in the study by everson who you know

1769
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,880
really kind of made the connections

1770
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:42,880
between this cosmology and the corpus

1771
01:04:46,789 --> 01:04:45,359
medicine is a really good place to start

1772
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,799
um

1773
01:04:50,950 --> 01:04:48,720
so basically

1774
01:04:52,829 --> 01:04:50,960
what what you're dealing with is

1775
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:52,839
this divine

1776
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,160
mind uh which

1777
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:58,240
it's kind of latent you know it's uh and

1778
01:05:00,950 --> 01:04:59,680
then but

1779
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,960
it once

1780
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:02,559
i mean and this is something that feeds

1781
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,720
into platonic text you get divine mind

1782
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,880
and you get the idea of the logos so the

1783
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,799
divine mind has like thoughts or what

1784
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:11,760
articulate itself

1785
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:14,720
wants to express its thoughts

1786
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:16,960
so what it does it generates

1787
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:19,039
and then the egyptian texts are explicit

1788
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,839
it generates

1789
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:22,799
uh

1790
01:05:28,950 --> 01:05:26,240
a tongue and a mouth and teeth

1791
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:28,960
to articulate the thoughts

1792
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:31,680
of the divine mind

1793
01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:33,280
and these

1794
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:34,640
and and that

1795
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,280
and um almost like a spell like evoking

1796
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,359
this these thoughts or this this

1797
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:44,000
articulation of speech

1798
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,160
it almost evokes

1799
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,440
uh the cosmos as we know it you know uh

1800
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,640
creation

1801
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:52,640
into being so it's like a spell it

1802
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:55,520
evokes this into being but what what

1803
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,079
they what's interesting is that

1804
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,240
this this cosmos

1805
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,039
uh or this material realm of being that

1806
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:06,000
it evokes magically into being is the

1807
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:06,960
body

1808
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:10,559
of this divine creative mind

1809
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,280
okay so it's calling the mind mind calls

1810
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,280
its own body into being

1811
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,760
through its thoughts and it's logos it's

1812
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,280
articulations

1813
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:21,839
and so what you end up with is is

1814
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,599
you can't really separate

1815
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:25,280
you know they're not separate things you

1816
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:26,160
know

1817
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:28,880
so the the the shabbat stone talks about

1818
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:31,039
how the minerals and the stones and the

1819
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,480
trees are all

1820
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:35,280
they grow on the body of the blind

1821
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:38,720
the the primordial divine being

1822
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,720
uh so the demiurge is really this

1823
01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,640
mediating force which

1824
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,839
helps

1825
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,839
but it kind of embodies the creative

1826
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,039
powers

1827
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:49,440
of the divine mind which help bring it

1828
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,400
into being in a physical sense

1829
01:06:55,910 --> 01:06:53,760
and

1830
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,920
you know on our you know when you filter

1831
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:58,000
down to our level as an embodied beings

1832
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,760
on in this kind of

1833
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:01,760
physical world

1834
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:03,039
uh

1835
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:04,960
knows this

1836
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,640
what notice means is that you realize

1837
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,359
that your mind and the divine mind

1838
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:14,150
so there's no separation ultimately

1839
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,359
between

1840
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:17,520
the divinity the divine mind which

1841
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:20,640
actually generated to its logos

1842
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:23,119
the the physical universe as we know it

1843
01:07:29,589 --> 01:07:28,000
and our own divine soul

1844
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:29,599
so we are

1845
01:07:34,390 --> 01:07:32,000
yeah that's really

1846
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,400
that's gnosis so so essentially it's a

1847
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,000
matter of saying that you know your mind

1848
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:37,920
and spirit are essentially one realizing

1849
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:40,240
that that consciousness that spirit

1850
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:41,920
is is more than just a you know a

1851
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,119
collection of

1852
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,760
uh you know it's more than just a being

1853
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,599
a physical being it's also a spiritual

1854
01:07:51,510 --> 01:07:49,680
being and they're one and the same but

1855
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,520
your mind wants to tease those notions

1856
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:53,280
apart so that you can talk about it as a

1857
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,799
human being but from the frame of

1858
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:57,359
reference of a ghost and a machine

1859
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,440
um this is what um

1860
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,280
this is where alchemical

1861
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,039
philosophy comes and also actually

1862
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,280
concrete alchemical practice comes into

1863
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:07,599
play because

1864
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,720
they had the idea of what they called

1865
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,480
the trioprima which goes back to

1866
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:12,960
paracelsus and um

1867
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:15,039
trioprimo they they talked about this

1868
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:17,759
trinity it's a trinitarian idea

1869
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:19,920
and they expressed it in terms of sulfur

1870
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,960
mercury and salt

1871
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,960
now

1872
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:26,000
um

1873
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:29,279
and you know this this they explicitly

1874
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:31,210
mir uh likened this to the

1875
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,480
[Music]

1876
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,159
um

1877
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:35,920
the christian trinity

1878
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:38,319
but also to the idea of the the spirit

1879
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:43,669
and these uh it's a trinity but it's a

1880
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,480
unity it's a tri unity

1881
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,080
it's for like the venn diagram on the

1882
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,839
top of the kabbalistic tree of life with

1883
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:52,159
ein einstoff and i you've got everything

1884
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:53,679
nothingness and

1885
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,759
uh yeah infinite light

1886
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,279
it's like that the three overlapping

1887
01:09:02,229 --> 01:08:59,520
circles venn diagram but it represents

1888
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:02,239
the the godhead notion

1889
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,480
definitely and so there's this and

1890
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,400
schwaller is very explicit about this is

1891
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,319
he says for anything to come into being

1892
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:10,319
for everything to be in a in a concrete

1893
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,279
sense

1894
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,199
three forces need to be

1895
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,839
at play and then you know gurdy gerjef

1896
01:09:19,669 --> 01:09:18,000
says exactly the same thing

1897
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,679
but in alchemical terms it's sulphur

1898
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,120
mercury and salt

1899
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,640
and to unders

1900
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:24,080
before you know to understand this

1901
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:26,880
properly you need to realize that

1902
01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,239
even in a purely chemical mineral sense

1903
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:32,480
um we have cinnabar

1904
01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:34,400
cinnabar is this red

1905
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:38,159
red black kind of crystalline stone

1906
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,000
and it's the literally i mean in a

1907
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:44,400
scientific chemical sense it is the it

1908
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,640
is the salt of sulfur and mercury

1909
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:50,319
and when i say salt i mean it's a

1910
01:09:53,829 --> 01:09:52,560
neutralization reaction between an acid

1911
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:53,839
and a base

1912
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:56,080
okay so the after being

1913
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:58,560
sulfur takes the the acidic roll

1914
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:02,000
mercury the the liquid metal takes the

1915
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,360
the basic or

1916
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,719
alkaline role

1917
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,560
and acid and base you know positive and

1918
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:07,520
negative

1919
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,719
equalize or neutralize in assault

1920
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,480
chemically speaking

1921
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,640
and

1922
01:10:18,790 --> 01:10:16,640
in that particular instance

1923
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:18,800
the salt is cinnabar it's red

1924
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,920
crystalline stone so

1925
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,840
um if you look at real you know schwa's

1926
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,040
whole thing was that he looked at

1927
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:28,000
reality as a neutralization reaction

1928
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:29,199
between

1929
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,430
and this is a very non-dualistic

1930
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,520
uh perception

1931
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:41,040
where

1932
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:41,840
and

1933
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:44,880
you know in alchemical terms sulfur is

1934
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:46,000
the father

1935
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,480
and mercury is in a sense the mother and

1936
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,400
salt is the sun

1937
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,080
which which the way that i've looked at

1938
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,840
it is you know if you need people for

1939
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,280
any type of creation to happen you need

1940
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,719
to have the chaos which is the rude

1941
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:59,040
material you know you to you need to be

1942
01:11:03,270 --> 01:11:01,040
able to have the the final product or at

1943
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:03,280
least the concept which is the order and

1944
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,320
then you need to be able to have the

1945
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,880
intelligence which uh you know is is the

1946
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,480
thing that makes it happen so in that

1947
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:10,159
essence the sulfur would be the chaos

1948
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,920
the mercury would be the intelligence

1949
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,000
and the salt would be that that's that

1950
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:15,600
you know physical being that you wanted

1951
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:17,920
to be able to manifest into

1952
01:11:23,270 --> 01:11:20,800
yeah yeah and the thing is it's

1953
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,280
trinitarian ideas uh whether it's

1954
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,239
christian trinitarian or or whatever i'm

1955
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,960
notoriously tricky to pin down

1956
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,760
um

1957
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,440
when you try to

1958
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:33,199
map

1959
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,400
definite

1960
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:37,679
um or specific definitions to each

1961
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,440
point of that triangle

1962
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,280
it does get a little slippery you know

1963
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:42,960
you think you've kind of pinned it down

1964
01:11:48,550 --> 01:11:44,880
and it slips away and that's just that's

1965
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,560
just the nature of it but um

1966
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,679
what's

1967
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,560
another angle on it is you know getting

1968
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,120
down to actual

1969
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:57,920
laboratory practice with alchemy

1970
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,159
certainly when you know most alchemists

1971
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:02,400
when they start out they will start with

1972
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:05,679
the plant alchemy

1973
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,480
and

1974
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,159
that's because plant alchemy you're less

1975
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:10,880
likely to blow yourself up

1976
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:11,600
yeah

1977
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,390
i mean when you're getting to

1978
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,000
mineral alchemy you know you're working

1979
01:12:24,950 --> 01:12:22,480
with mineral acids and stuff and it's

1980
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:24,960
it's yeah it's stained and actual hot

1981
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,679
furnaces it's dangerous plant alchemy

1982
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,440
allows you to develop

1983
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:31,600
the kind of laboratory skills the

1984
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,440
concrete skills

1985
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,480
uh in a way that's not too dangerous but

1986
01:12:42,229 --> 01:12:38,719
it you know it softens the process up

1987
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,239
but you also learn the principles

1988
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,640
uh which carry over into the mineral and

1989
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:45,920
metallic work

1990
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:46,640
so

1991
01:12:51,669 --> 01:12:49,760
and one of those is precisely this

1992
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,679
trinitarian doctrine of sulphur and

1993
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:53,440
mercury and salt which in the plant

1994
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:54,480
kingdom

1995
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:58,159
the sulfur is understood as the um

1996
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:01,360
is the essential oil of a plant

1997
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:04,000
the the mercury is understood as the the

1998
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:06,320
alcohol the spirit literally the spirit

1999
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:08,480
you know the distilled alcohol of the

2000
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:09,600
plant

2001
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:11,440
and the bottom

2002
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,719
the body is um sorry the salt is the

2003
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:17,600
body or the calcium ashes of the plant

2004
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,360
so what that teaches you is that

2005
01:13:25,750 --> 01:13:23,120
a concrete

2006
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,760
distinction between spirit and soul i

2007
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:27,360
mean these are also considered the

2008
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:30,480
spirit soul and body okay so the spirit

2009
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,920
is um literally the alcohol

2010
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:36,560
the the the soul of a plant is the

2011
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:39,440
essential oil so it has

2012
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,239
the aroma of the plant right

2013
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,120
so if you if you if you just extract the

2014
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,880
essential oil of

2015
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,640
bay laurel or

2016
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,400
rosemary

2017
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:52,400
it's got a distinct

2018
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:56,159
smell aroma flavor you know it's it's

2019
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:58,159
it's the soul of that

2020
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:01,040
plant was the spirit which is this

2021
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,400
you know you can distill spirit from

2022
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,560
just about anything you can ferment yes

2023
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:05,920
again

2024
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,600
it's universal to the plant kingdom

2025
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,360
right

2026
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,280
what that says is that the spirit is

2027
01:14:18,229 --> 01:14:15,199
universal

2028
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:18,239
the soul is is is more particular to the

2029
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:22,159
to the um the entity's body

2030
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:23,840
does that make sense

2031
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,600
no it does make sense especially from

2032
01:14:30,149 --> 01:14:27,360
from the standpoint you're putting it

2033
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,159
into and the the idea of this the spirit

2034
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,920
being the you know the alcohol content

2035
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:33,600
and again uh alex if you can if you

2036
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,199
could be a little bit more of a of that

2037
01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,880
uh that glenn fittick

2038
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,840
as a

2039
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,520
spirit of the peace is

2040
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,040
with us tonight well

2041
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:43,040
the the spirit yes yes and again you can

2042
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,560
distill pretty much anything in there

2043
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:45,920
and that idea of the trinity and being

2044
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:47,360
hard to pin down

2045
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,400
you know like we're getting a very

2046
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,719
metaphysical and and philosophical stuff

2047
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,000
so

2048
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,760
you know i know that we've got one good

2049
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:54,880
question here that i want to bring up

2050
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,960
from ellen and she she's uh she's

2051
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,080
actually been been going through your

2052
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,080
website quite a lot

2053
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,920
and uh she said that your site has an

2054
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,520
out it has an article on alchemy of

2055
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:06,000
miami vice

2056
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:07,199
and

2057
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,800
you know if we're talking alchemy i know

2058
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:10,480
we're to bring it more into more into

2059
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:14,000
the uh current world but what is your

2060
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,760
thoughts in the alchemical influence in

2061
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:18,080
modern media that for the most part is

2062
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:21,840
uh in is over people's heads

2063
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,199
um

2064
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:24,480
well when i do something like the

2065
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:27,040
alchemy of miami vice or i done that you

2066
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,640
know i did another a similar piece on

2067
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:30,719
the um the gnosis of

2068
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:32,270
duran duran

2069
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:35,199
[Laughter]

2070
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:38,000
i grew up as a kid in the 80s you know

2071
01:15:41,990 --> 01:15:39,520
so

2072
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,000
i i did that i you know i take full

2073
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,400
responsibility for that no i it's not so

2074
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:46,239
much it's more

2075
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:48,000
interpretation hermeneutics you know

2076
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:51,679
hermeneutics um is a

2077
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,480
is a as a philosophical

2078
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,480
approach

2079
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:58,800
um grounded on the principle of

2080
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,960
interpretation

2081
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,280
how you interpret things

2082
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:05,520
how you get meaning out of things and

2083
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,280
now the this idea of hermeneutics is

2084
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,960
that the word is based on the name

2085
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:12,640
hermes

2086
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,679
okay

2087
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:14,560
um

2088
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:17,120
hermeneus in greek mean meant a

2089
01:16:22,709 --> 01:16:19,360
translator or interpreter

2090
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,719
so in in modern uh in 20th century or

2091
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,920
even

2092
01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:25,440
19th century

2093
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:28,000
philosophy

2094
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,159
of

2095
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:34,080
interpretation and deriving meaning how

2096
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,239
do we do this process of

2097
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,640
extracting meaning from you know

2098
01:16:42,790 --> 01:16:40,800
this world around us whether it's text

2099
01:16:43,750 --> 01:16:42,800
or or or anything

2100
01:16:46,390 --> 01:16:43,760
um

2101
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:46,400
so when i you know for me

2102
01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:49,600
interpreting mind vice as an alchemical

2103
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:51,280
opus or

2104
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:54,080
the the songs of duran duran as as kind

2105
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,120
of

2106
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:57,920
um gnostic hymns you've managed to

2107
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:00,560
distill some deep principles out of the

2108
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:07,830
alchemical extraction of meaning or

2109
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:09,520
essence from

2110
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:11,440
something that would otherwise not have

2111
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,400
that esoteric meaning so

2112
01:17:19,270 --> 01:17:16,159
it's more coming from me than it is

2113
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:19,280
coming from the modern world of media um

2114
01:17:23,110 --> 01:17:20,960
but you know

2115
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:23,120
it's just it's my way of having fun like

2116
01:17:27,030 --> 01:17:25,120
a cognitive alchemy practice instead of

2117
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:27,040
a practical one yeah

2118
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:28,159
but really

2119
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:32,480
beyond that you know at a deeper level

2120
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,280
it holds water

2121
01:17:40,149 --> 01:17:37,679
all of all of reality around us whether

2122
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:40,159
it's a duran duranson or a miami vice

2123
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:41,360
episode

2124
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:43,120
has

2125
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:46,640
is a gateway to a divine teaching or or

2126
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:50,880
a past hypnosis you know everything

2127
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,440
everything that confronts our senses in

2128
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:55,199
a concrete way

2129
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:58,400
um is potentially a

2130
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:02,000
a divine experience a a a a gnosis

2131
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:04,000
it's like something i play with it

2132
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:05,679
i play with this with you know

2133
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:06,719
uh

2134
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:08,640
nostalgic things like miami vista duran

2135
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,440
duran but it applies to everything you

2136
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,840
know we can interpret it or

2137
01:18:16,870 --> 01:18:16,080
not it's not just you know there's a i

2138
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,880
don't want to say it's just an

2139
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,320
intellectual

2140
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,920
kind of game

2141
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,199
which it can

2142
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,040
devolve into

2143
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,280
um

2144
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:27,920
it's more that everything we can ex you

2145
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:34,149
in a concrete material sense in a

2146
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,480
sensory sense

2147
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:39,360
is the premium material of our of the

2148
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:42,239
alchemy that we need to be doing

2149
01:18:45,669 --> 01:18:43,840
so everything that we we already have

2150
01:18:47,510 --> 01:18:45,679
the premium material around us at every

2151
01:18:50,390 --> 01:18:47,520
moment in our waking

2152
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,400
sensory lives and that

2153
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,320
is the basis from which

2154
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:54,400
we can extract nicest

2155
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,679
i i would be very interested to hear

2156
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:57,440
about the you know the

2157
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,560
duality or you know the the hermetic uh

2158
01:19:05,189 --> 01:19:03,199
basis for youtube's actual baby like you

2159
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:05,199
know the the with or without you i still

2160
01:19:08,550 --> 01:19:07,120
haven't found what i'm looking for like

2161
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,560
you know there's there are some very

2162
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:10,239
deep songs on that album and it's one of

2163
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:12,080
the greatest greatest rock albums of all

2164
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:13,840
time i strongly recommend you go out i

2165
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:15,040
kind of want to jump away from the

2166
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:17,920
mental maps for a second here yeah

2167
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:20,159
just i know

2168
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:21,360
my mind is

2169
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,360
is burning to try to connect the dots

2170
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,920
between uh on yesterday's show at the

2171
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,600
tail end we were talking about the

2172
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,840
evidence of finding salts in the the

2173
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:32,080
chambers of the pyramids we spent over a

2174
01:19:35,910 --> 01:19:33,600
month now doing

2175
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:35,920
uh you know pyramid madness from for

2176
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,120
march uh the alchemical salts and then

2177
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:41,600
just yesterday they posted there's a six

2178
01:19:45,430 --> 01:19:43,520
hour long documentary that i posted to

2179
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:45,440
the wall for the den of lore

2180
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,320
on molten salt reactors and

2181
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:50,400
the future of nuclear and how

2182
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:51,840
that would be

2183
01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:53,280
the technology we would need to take

2184
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,760
into space all the solar arrays that

2185
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:57,199
they're trying to do on the satellites

2186
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,280
would never work because you drift too

2187
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,600
far away from the sun you'd need like a

2188
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,880
molten salt

2189
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,480
sort of nuclear reactor

2190
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:06,000
and you know that this is quite

2191
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:07,280
interesting because i'm pretty sure back

2192
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,640
around to the panspermia well the

2193
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:10,880
interesting thing is definitely a key

2194
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:11,679
thing

2195
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,640
um

2196
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:14,400
we should talk about magical egypt

2197
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,480
before we get to two-way laid as well we

2198
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,120
can talk about i'm gonna take us way off

2199
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,679
you know let's let's um yeah like let's

2200
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:25,280
talk about magical egypt although i'm

2201
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,040
i'm going to have to i'm being requested

2202
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:29,040
to take a selfie here by by my sister

2203
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:30,640
and if she says that she did not she's

2204
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:32,159
asking me actually actually she has

2205
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,400
asked me to so i see

2206
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,840
the dog gear or something coming in

2207
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:37,679
there right there we go

2208
01:20:41,990 --> 01:20:40,480
so i'll take a quick bathroom break so i

2209
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,000
i'll be back in like

2210
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:44,000
30 seconds oh that's fantastic alex and

2211
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,000
i are just gonna do do your thing so

2212
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:48,080
that's okay i'll leave you with uh the

2213
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:55,110
the cook if coker were here coco with

2214
01:20:58,229 --> 01:20:56,480
the attack

2215
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,239
we'll get the two cats talking don't

2216
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,760
don't even don't even don't even get

2217
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:02,000
coco involved in this okay like so i i

2218
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,719
had my conversation with baval like on

2219
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:06,239
last week today

2220
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,239
and coco was literally all up in my

2221
01:21:12,070 --> 01:21:10,159
grill for the entire thing and bevel's

2222
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:12,080
like that's a very strange cat i'm like

2223
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:15,040
yeah she's my official co-host

2224
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:21,270
well it's even on the you know that's on

2225
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,960
the uh that's on the website well she

2226
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:24,719
thinks she's the official co-host but

2227
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:26,000
she's a lot more warm and cuddly than

2228
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:27,760
you are unfortunately

2229
01:21:33,669 --> 01:21:32,550
so i have to stop that kind of show i

2230
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:33,679
will i know what's not that type of show

2231
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:34,880
like now we're doing video but it's not

2232
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:38,000
that type of video uh my big thing like

2233
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:39,199
like we're gonna be talking magical

2234
01:21:45,189 --> 01:21:42,320
egypt too and i know that that chase has

2235
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:45,199
been upping the ante with the graphics

2236
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:47,520
on this i am very eagerly awaiting the

2237
01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:49,040
release of this this is going to be like

2238
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,159
this

2239
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:52,159
well it is like pull that up now let's

2240
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:53,600
let's double check it here let me just

2241
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,760
bring it up

2242
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,600
okay let's see here uh wayne also have

2243
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:59,120
the fan base

2244
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:01,120
um uh sorry a wayne

2245
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:03,520
writes hey alex there is also a liquid

2246
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:06,239
salt batteries that are fairly cutting

2247
01:22:11,669 --> 01:22:09,360
edge for grid level storage fyi so just

2248
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,679
for your information amazing i'm just

2249
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,639
going to

2250
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:14,400
i want to suddenly know everything there

2251
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:16,800
is to know about liquid salts

2252
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,040
pyramids and alchemy and the combination

2253
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:22,960
of the three magical egypts magical

2254
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:25,679
egypt so spiritual so empirical at the

2255
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,600
same time i can't i can't help myself i

2256
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,000
can't even type so magical egypt and

2257
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,000
aaron if you're joining back on i just

2258
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,679
switched the uh

2259
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,040
video feed

2260
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:37,360
from your camera to the magical egypt

2261
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:40,159
website just so that everyone can

2262
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,080
get a grip on what we're going to be

2263
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:45,440
talking about now if you've listened to

2264
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,560
the program you know we've been talking

2265
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,719
about magical egypt quite a lot

2266
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:50,159
and we tried to get through a magical

2267
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,440
age of fight companion with randall

2268
01:22:56,470 --> 01:22:54,239
carlson uh we had uh uh duncan trussell

2269
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,480
on we had the guys from gramerica we had

2270
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,040
uh you know uh

2271
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,960
cameron was on it was it was it like we

2272
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,159
had um

2273
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,840
michael parker from the electric pyramid

2274
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,520
it was a packed show we got about

2275
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,159
halfway through one episode until you

2276
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,840
know it was just a giant knowledge fest

2277
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:11,520
for four and a half hours

2278
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:14,320
now i've been waiting for this for a

2279
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,920
couple of months since it was about to

2280
01:23:20,149 --> 01:23:17,679
be released and

2281
01:23:22,149 --> 01:23:20,159
aaron is one of the researchers we okay

2282
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,159
well first of all we've had uh graham

2283
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:24,159
hancock on the show he's gonna be his

2284
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:25,280
research is included in the show

2285
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:26,639
obviously john anthony west's research

2286
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:28,000
is included in the show

2287
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,920
uh uh

2288
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:31,520
richard casarro's research isn't gonna

2289
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:34,000
be included in the show and aaron's

2290
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:35,679
research is also going to be included in

2291
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:36,639
the show

2292
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,679
so

2293
01:23:40,149 --> 01:23:38,960
i am

2294
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:40,159
very

2295
01:23:45,669 --> 01:23:43,600
interested to hear aaron are you there

2296
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,679
yep i'm here okay i'm just not i'm not

2297
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:47,440
seeing you on on camera at the moment

2298
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:49,840
unless i'm uh oh camera's looking at the

2299
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:52,560
ceiling there it's i'm back i'm here

2300
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,639
okay one second you're always

2301
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:56,960
freeze-framed

2302
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:02,950
oh there we go and he's back there's the

2303
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:05,199
hamstring

2304
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:06,480
this is why i need to like unbutton

2305
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:08,080
another shirt like button i'm just going

2306
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:09,199
to bring that down

2307
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:11,040
hold it to keep that it's not that no

2308
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:14,320
family show it is but the guest is

2309
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,920
looking very stylish and i'm feeling a

2310
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:17,360
little bit overdressed right now i have

2311
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:19,360
to like you know take it down a notch

2312
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:20,560
and uh

2313
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:22,080
there we go that's better

2314
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,360
so

2315
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,600
whiskey helps it it does yeah it does

2316
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:26,880
you know we even have a window open here

2317
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,760
it's it's minus uh it's um

2318
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,440
minus five outside we've got a window

2319
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:33,520
cracked and i think these new curtains

2320
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,280
actually let me crack a window it's a

2321
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:37,520
good idea no i've actually seen through

2322
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:39,040
the reflection of your glasses and this

2323
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,080
is the beautiful part about high

2324
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:41,679
definition video that it's a very

2325
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:44,800
beautiful day out there yeah it's nice

2326
01:24:51,189 --> 01:24:48,960
here it's actually it's autumn here um

2327
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:51,199
you know we're the opposite kind of of

2328
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,840
you guys in terms of weather

2329
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,440
um no you're not

2330
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:57,600
well yes you are but

2331
01:25:03,430 --> 01:24:59,600
you're you're you're getting these past

2332
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,510
no no it's actually quite a sunny day

2333
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,040
outside

2334
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,360
which yeah it's very changeable here

2335
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,239
though but the seasons yeah yeah the

2336
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,880
shifting seasons are felt definitely

2337
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,120
now for magical egypt this is a series

2338
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,040
that has been well-weighted

2339
01:25:24,390 --> 01:25:21,120
uh for a long time i i've been talking

2340
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:24,400
with venice uh you know fairly often

2341
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,440
about the release and we had uh uh you

2342
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,760
know a chance on the show

2343
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,520
uh a while ago

2344
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:32,960
just all right

2345
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:34,159
well

2346
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,679
it was like a random it was a random

2347
01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,520
like we were doing a magical egypt uh

2348
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:39,280
fight companion kind of like along the

2349
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,600
veins of joe rogan's ufc fight

2350
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:42,880
companions but we had so many

2351
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:44,719
knowledgeable people on the show that we

2352
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:47,360
got about halfway through one episode

2353
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:50,000
and then randall carlson just started uh

2354
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,600
giving all this information out so we

2355
01:25:55,189 --> 01:25:53,360
had to we did we didn't get through the

2356
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,199
entire one unfortunately but i wanted

2357
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,840
people to get to chance back on to to

2358
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:59,440
talk about magical egypt too when it

2359
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:01,600
comes out now your research is going to

2360
01:26:06,790 --> 01:26:04,800
be featured on it um i'm very excited

2361
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,800
for this release

2362
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,120
how does your research play into the new

2363
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:12,870
well

2364
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:13,920
um

2365
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:16,400
i'll answer that in an indirect way i'll

2366
01:26:20,229 --> 01:26:18,159
let you know how i came into

2367
01:26:21,750 --> 01:26:20,239
the magical egypt world

2368
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,760
um

2369
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,440
i was living

2370
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,679
in queensland at the time and i was sort

2371
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,760
of loosely in touch with bernice because

2372
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,840
um

2373
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,239
just online and uh

2374
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:33,920
robert lawler

2375
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,480
was coming up to queensland he lives

2376
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,920
down here

2377
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:40,000
okay in australia that between the

2378
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:42,080
mainland and

2379
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,760
tasmania which is the island at the

2380
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,440
bottom

2381
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,480
there's a couple of small islands and

2382
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,159
on one of those islands robert lawler

2383
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:52,320
was living and robert lawler is if you

2384
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:53,360
don't know

2385
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:56,000
he was the english translator the first

2386
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,679
english translator of schwarz

2387
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:01,760
but he's also written on a lot of sacred

2388
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,800
geometry and and other things

2389
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,760
um

2390
01:27:10,550 --> 01:27:08,000
so he was coming up to queensland and i

2391
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:10,560
was i've arranged to meet

2392
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:12,800
well venice got in contact with me and

2393
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,040
said hey robert's coming up do you we

2394
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,199
should we should like meet up and i

2395
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,960
think i'd be i'd love to reach to meet

2396
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,360
robert and to meet you guys

2397
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,440
and

2398
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,760
it didn't happen

2399
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,360
we had a huge i mean right now there's

2400
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,520
these crazy storms and stuff going on

2401
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:32,320
over there right now and flooding and uh

2402
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,520
back then

2403
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,000
the same thing was going

2404
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,239
and flooding and um

2405
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:40,239
it just didn't happen but eventually it

2406
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:43,360
was about it's about a year ago actually

2407
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,719
it was february last year we finally got

2408
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,760
together i came i i met denise and

2409
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:52,320
chance and and robert lawler

2410
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,159
for the first time and um

2411
01:28:00,629 --> 01:27:58,080
yeah i just really hit it off well with

2412
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,639
venice and chance and i just kept coming

2413
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,360
back to stay with them and work with

2414
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:05,520
them and um they sort of

2415
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:08,400
realized what i had to offer

2416
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:09,199
and

2417
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,880
we just kept doing lots of interviews

2418
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:12,560
and filming

2419
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:13,520
uh

2420
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,280
various

2421
01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:20,709
just me talking [\h__\h] about

2422
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,280
interesting well presumably hopefully

2423
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,120
interesting stuff

2424
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,639
um

2425
01:28:30,149 --> 01:28:27,679
and

2426
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:30,159
yeah main the main things i that we sort

2427
01:28:35,350 --> 01:28:34,000
of go into uh from my angle uh

2428
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,360
alchemy

2429
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,560
um

2430
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:39,120
but also the role of consciousness in

2431
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,400
shaping

2432
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:42,960
the transformations of art and culture

2433
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,280
which is coming more from

2434
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,080
the angle of john john gabzi's work

2435
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,360
um but now we we would hang out we we

2436
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,520
spent a lot of last year just hanging

2437
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:55,280
out

2438
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,679
uh esotericism and philosophy and

2439
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,920
consciousness and tantra and very you

2440
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:03,679
know we drank

2441
01:29:11,910 --> 01:29:10,470
um and they're great cooks they're

2442
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,920
they're foodies you know

2443
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,280
this i mean

2444
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,120
the the food i ate at their place is

2445
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:16,639
just lime

2446
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:18,239
and

2447
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,760
the i don't know

2448
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,239
they put truffle oil and

2449
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:24,560
almost anything you could or things you

2450
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,360
wouldn't think truffle oil would go in

2451
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:29,679
and it's just just this transformative

2452
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:30,960
kind of

2453
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,120
the last time chris had truffle oil he

2454
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:35,920
ended up in a movie too

2455
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:37,120
you know what

2456
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,480
i i don't get that i don't get that

2457
01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,199
reference all right now you know and

2458
01:29:45,189 --> 01:29:43,199
we we've like we've had a lot of support

2459
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:45,199
from venice and from the magical egypt

2460
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,080
crew

2461
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:48,480
to to get the word out for our telethon

2462
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:50,159
to support john anthony west cancer

2463
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:51,040
treatment

2464
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:53,440
uh and yeah you know like i i could just

2465
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:54,719
tell like if you spend a lot of time

2466
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:56,719
with her i i haven't met her in person

2467
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,760
because obviously we're a different

2468
01:30:01,430 --> 01:29:59,679
continent but she seems like an absolute

2469
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,440
sweetheart and i'm just i just want to

2470
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:03,199
give her a quick shout out i know that

2471
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:05,600
she she's currently without power and

2472
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:07,120
dealing with an entire fridge full of

2473
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,080
food

2474
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,080
that could potentially go bad so she's

2475
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,239
having some alchemical experiments going

2476
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:13,679
on right now with it with the fridge

2477
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:14,480
yeah

2478
01:30:20,790 --> 01:30:18,870
my suggestion is just cook everything

2479
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:20,800
over an open flame like you're you're in

2480
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,800
australia just it's a you know make a

2481
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,480
barbecue you're fine

2482
01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:26,239
so uh vanisa yeah you're listening i

2483
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:28,239
hope i hope you're okay and safe and

2484
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:30,639
please do take care of yourself

2485
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:32,480
i think yeah i think the worst is over

2486
01:30:39,669 --> 01:30:35,600
from what i gather from my queensland my

2487
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:39,679
family and friends in queensland um

2488
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:40,480
so

2489
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,920
yeah but

2490
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:44,000
they'll pull through but like now the

2491
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:45,360
venison chants are great they're a

2492
01:30:48,790 --> 01:30:47,679
really great team and

2493
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:48,800
uh

2494
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:50,320
you know

2495
01:30:55,990 --> 01:30:52,880
some people are maybe a little anxious

2496
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,000
about when the show's coming out but

2497
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,080
i just want to say that chance

2498
01:31:02,390 --> 01:31:00,800
is a perfectionist and he's a consummate

2499
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:02,400
artist you know

2500
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,520
and

2501
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:05,520
those concerns are kind of paramount for

2502
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:07,520
him he wants to do

2503
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,320
put out the best show possible

2504
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:12,960
and i think if that means

2505
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:15,520
delays

2506
01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:18,320
or some certain looseness with time then

2507
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:19,840
that's just kind of

2508
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:21,760
how it has to roll and

2509
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:23,920
um i know there's a lot of pressure and

2510
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:26,480
people want the show now but like um and

2511
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:29,199
it's coming i mean from what i gather

2512
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,560
it's it's so close it's not funny

2513
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,440
um but yeah i think it's worth the wait

2514
01:31:38,950 --> 01:31:37,360
you know if it it means another another

2515
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:38,960
couple of weeks or another month or

2516
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,800
whatever it takes

2517
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:43,199
i'd i'd say to people hold out we're

2518
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:44,480
getting there though i mean they're

2519
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,520
working

2520
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:47,520
night and chance in a chunks work night

2521
01:31:50,950 --> 01:31:49,280
and day on this stuff

2522
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,960
um

2523
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:52,719
there's a backlog of material of

2524
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,880
interviews and various things

2525
01:31:58,950 --> 01:31:57,120
so once the first show comes out it's

2526
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:58,960
just kind of like the it's like breaking

2527
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:00,400
the seal everything's just gonna flow

2528
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:01,760
from there

2529
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:04,719
uh and it's gonna be good

2530
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,679
and like for your your sections more

2531
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:09,600
like the metaphysical alchemical side of

2532
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:10,400
it

2533
01:32:15,990 --> 01:32:11,679
what

2534
01:32:16,950 --> 01:32:16,000
first magical egypt and i know that

2535
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,960
um

2536
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:18,719
you know with on on gordon's show roon

2537
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:20,960
soup you you did uh

2538
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:23,600
uh the the the question was like are you

2539
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,760
uh are you aware of the the series

2540
01:32:29,590 --> 01:32:27,360
magical egypt and pretty much everyone i

2541
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:29,600
know knows magical egypt my wife who is

2542
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:32,000
not the most non-metaphysical

2543
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,920
person or esoteric person on the planet

2544
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:35,440
knows magically just because i made her

2545
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,800
watch it once

2546
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:38,400
so right

2547
01:32:43,030 --> 01:32:40,960
comparing the first ep the first series

2548
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:43,040
to the second series what are the major

2549
01:32:48,709 --> 01:32:45,600
differences that you are finding so far

2550
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:48,719
and what what what can people expect

2551
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,840
right well

2552
01:32:53,910 --> 01:32:51,600
the first thing you know

2553
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,920
the first thing to expect is generally

2554
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:55,440
the quality

2555
01:33:02,229 --> 01:33:00,470
overall

2556
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:02,239
is going to be like

2557
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:03,520
you know

2558
01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:06,159
uh as i said chance is a perfectionist

2559
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:07,679
and he's worked in the industry for a

2560
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:09,040
long time

2561
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,000
and

2562
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:12,400
i think when he did the first series

2563
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,239
it was under circumstances which were

2564
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:15,920
just pretty

2565
01:33:19,430 --> 01:33:17,120
uh

2566
01:33:21,189 --> 01:33:19,440
off the cuff

2567
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:21,199
so by contrast this is going to be much

2568
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,520
more professional in its um

2569
01:33:27,750 --> 01:33:26,000
in its production values

2570
01:33:29,430 --> 01:33:27,760
um

2571
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:29,440
secondly you're going to have yeah

2572
01:33:32,950 --> 01:33:30,719
you're going to have the big names that

2573
01:33:34,149 --> 01:33:32,960
you know and love

2574
01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:34,159
but you're also going to have some new

2575
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:35,040
blood

2576
01:33:38,229 --> 01:33:36,960
uh and some

2577
01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,239
you know

2578
01:33:41,669 --> 01:33:40,800
new themes and new ideas that

2579
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,679
um

2580
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:43,360
you may not know but you will come to

2581
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:45,840
know so i guess i'm one of those

2582
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:49,600
uh new currents on the show

2583
01:33:52,470 --> 01:33:51,600
and but there's there's others as well

2584
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:52,480
so

2585
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:53,840
um

2586
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:57,520
and also one of chance's guiding

2587
01:34:01,030 --> 01:33:59,360
themes for the new

2588
01:34:02,629 --> 01:34:01,040
show or at least the first episode as i

2589
01:34:05,189 --> 01:34:02,639
understand it

2590
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:05,199
is the idea that art

2591
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,880
is a form of revelation of esoteric

2592
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:10,800
knowledge and it is deep

2593
01:34:14,950 --> 01:34:13,679
archaic wisdom

2594
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:14,960
this idea that

2595
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,400
you know these ancient cultures had a

2596
01:34:21,270 --> 01:34:19,840
high level of consciousness and

2597
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:21,280
technology

2598
01:34:23,910 --> 01:34:22,480
but uh

2599
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:23,920
they didn't

2600
01:34:30,149 --> 01:34:26,320
transmit it in um

2601
01:34:31,669 --> 01:34:30,159
you know academic exegesis or or

2602
01:34:35,110 --> 01:34:31,679
they

2603
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:35,120
encoded it in the art you know art

2604
01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:37,520
art architecture

2605
01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,560
was was was the meat was the message was

2606
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:43,280
the medium was the message in a sense

2607
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:44,800
and so

2608
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:46,239
one of the approaches chance is really

2609
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:47,760
wanting to ground the new show and is

2610
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:51,440
this idea of like how do we approach

2611
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:52,320
the

2612
01:34:58,870 --> 01:34:57,120
way that extracts that alchemical

2613
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:58,880
essence or that

2614
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,600
um the ancient divine wisdom which we

2615
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:03,040
all know

2616
01:35:06,149 --> 01:35:04,400
is there

2617
01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,159
uh

2618
01:35:09,830 --> 01:35:08,320
but various people argue about how you

2619
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:09,840
know what it means or how it comes down

2620
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:12,239
how how it comes down to us but it's

2621
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:14,320
like there's a sense where it's like

2622
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,840
it's actually written

2623
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,520
it's actually hidden in plain sight you

2624
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:19,760
know it's it's there in the

2625
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:23,040
physical monuments and and the artistic

2626
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:25,600
uh expressions that

2627
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:26,560
that

2628
01:35:29,830 --> 01:35:28,480
come down to us now the interesting part

2629
01:35:31,270 --> 01:35:29,840
is you mentioned the medium as the

2630
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:31,280
message and this is just a synchronicity

2631
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,800
that i'm going to throw out there uh

2632
01:35:37,110 --> 01:35:34,880
marshall mcclellan is the person who

2633
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:37,120
coined that term and he's actually very

2634
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:39,280
good friends with my in-laws

2635
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:41,440
like their their neighbors like within

2636
01:35:45,669 --> 01:35:43,760
the same area of prince he lives in uh

2637
01:35:47,669 --> 01:35:45,679
prince edward county so i get like the

2638
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,679
occasional um you know the the

2639
01:35:51,350 --> 01:35:49,440
occasional free book

2640
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:51,360
from my in-laws that that have been

2641
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:52,719
given to him and it's a lot of knowledge

2642
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,480
is passed down so that is my

2643
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:56,400
synchronicity night level nine for the

2644
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:57,280
day

2645
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:58,239
um

2646
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,679
that's pretty cool that's pretty cool

2647
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,760
in-laws to have yeah well they run it

2648
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:02,800
they're honest this is the interesting

2649
01:36:07,110 --> 01:36:04,480
part they're only um

2650
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:07,120
and no they're not uh um uh patrons of

2651
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:08,960
the show as it were but still there they

2652
01:36:13,910 --> 01:36:11,679
gave me their daughter so i'm going to

2653
01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:13,920
plug plug their store they run a an

2654
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,719
antique shop called dead people stuff

2655
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,639
was it their first born

2656
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:20,239
uh their their last born actually

2657
01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,880
they're the old they're youngest

2658
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:24,159
okay so they didn't sacrifice their

2659
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:29,590
oh wow i'll take goodness i'll i'll take

2660
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:33,280
that as as uh as what for what it is and

2661
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:36,800
if it's a burn that's a good one

2662
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,149
are you working on any uh egyptian

2663
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,239
flavored spidgerick tinctures or

2664
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:46,400
anything lately

2665
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:49,119
um not so much no not egyptian flavoured

2666
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:50,639
but

2667
01:36:57,189 --> 01:36:55,750
the people that i am um this place i'm

2668
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,199
staying at

2669
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:59,679
is egyptian recipe not egyptian flavored

2670
01:37:01,910 --> 01:37:01,199
and it's just i'm playing with words

2671
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:01,920
here

2672
01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:07,510
but the people i i rent off these people

2673
01:37:11,430 --> 01:37:09,040
uh who

2674
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:11,440
kind of own a lot of property in this

2675
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,920
area and they're very spiritually minded

2676
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,239
people and they're trying to create like

2677
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:19,040
kind of essentially a spiritual retreat

2678
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,560
area

2679
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,320
and they also run

2680
01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,639
a bunch of like um festivals and stuff

2681
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,880
in auckland and um

2682
01:37:30,950 --> 01:37:29,199
but yeah i was speaking with one of the

2683
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:30,960
owners and she really wants me to

2684
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:34,480
develop a spagyric range

2685
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:38,159
now chemical range of native new zealand

2686
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:40,480
um herbs

2687
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:42,480
um so that's something i'd really like

2688
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,679
to do

2689
01:37:46,870 --> 01:37:46,080
it's going to take me a bit of time to

2690
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:46,880
get

2691
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:50,239
because basically right now all my all

2692
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:51,040
my

2693
01:37:54,709 --> 01:37:52,000
just about

2694
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:54,719
all my belongings my worldly possessions

2695
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:55,600
uh

2696
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,040
in a storage box in australia somewhere

2697
01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:01,840
if you ever seen that that scene the

2698
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:04,159
last the final scene in

2699
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:06,000
raiders of the lost ark

2700
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,920
where they they box up the ark and they

2701
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:10,080
they wheel it in this big factory full

2702
01:38:12,709 --> 01:38:11,040
of

2703
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:12,719
boxes that look exactly the same as the

2704
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:15,199
box they've just put the ark in

2705
01:38:19,109 --> 01:38:16,719
you know it's this huge factory full of

2706
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,119
boxes that's basically kind of

2707
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:21,920
what the factory looks like where my

2708
01:38:25,590 --> 01:38:23,679
worldly possessions are yeah i'm

2709
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:25,600
picturing and picturing an episode of

2710
01:38:27,990 --> 01:38:27,199
auction hunters where they're they're

2711
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:28,000
open

2712
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:29,920
storage lockers but they find a

2713
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,320
spidgerich alchemical laboratory inside

2714
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:34,960
of one of them well there actually is

2715
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,360
um there's like some of my oldest major

2716
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:39,119
preparations uh somewhere in that box

2717
01:38:41,030 --> 01:38:40,080
and

2718
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:41,040
um

2719
01:38:44,709 --> 01:38:42,800
so basically what is what what does this

2720
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,719
spideric tincture

2721
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:47,280
like what what what does it do

2722
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:50,000
that's a good question um

2723
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:52,719
right when i was speaking before about

2724
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:54,560
do you want to capture a soul and put it

2725
01:39:00,870 --> 01:38:58,480
in a bottle chris okay yeah it's just so

2726
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:00,880
in the plant alchemy you you separate

2727
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:03,600
the sulfur the mercury and the salt of a

2728
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,480
plant okay and the the soil is the

2729
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:07,760
spirit

2730
01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:09,840
so in the implant you know you ferment

2731
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:11,280
the plant

2732
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,320
until it gets alcohol in it and you ex

2733
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,520
distill that alcohol

2734
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:19,679
until it's you know it's pure spirit

2735
01:39:23,750 --> 01:39:21,920
that's the separation and purification

2736
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:23,760
of the spirit

2737
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:24,880
for the

2738
01:39:31,350 --> 01:39:29,040
the you know the personality the

2739
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:31,360
personality of the plant

2740
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:34,000
so you do an oil extraction of the plant

2741
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:35,600
and get the and refine it so you've got

2742
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:37,920
a pure essential oil

2743
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:39,119
because when you when you do oil

2744
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:41,199
extractions you often

2745
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:43,360
the first the first extraction has this

2746
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:44,639
funky

2747
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,679
nasty smell which is called the phlegm

2748
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:49,360
and so once you extract the oil you've

2749
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:52,239
got to refine it by further distillation

2750
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:53,440
to get

2751
01:39:57,750 --> 01:39:54,880
to remove the phlegm and just have the

2752
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,760
pure uh aromatic oil and that's

2753
01:40:03,189 --> 01:40:00,000
considered that's the soul because it's

2754
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,199
it's a personality because it has

2755
01:40:08,709 --> 01:40:05,520
the distinct properties you recognize as

2756
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:08,719
that plant like if it's from

2757
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,000
chris would be looking for oil of peat

2758
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:14,639
for scotch yeah yeah if we explain it in

2759
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:16,320
scotch terms

2760
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:18,080
but you know if you extract lavender oil

2761
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,880
you know

2762
01:40:22,149 --> 01:40:20,560
that's lavender if you extract spirit

2763
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:22,159
from the and day well it's like it's

2764
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,320
just alcohol it's just pure ethanol so

2765
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:25,679
there's no

2766
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:30,880
then the body of the plant is the

2767
01:40:35,510 --> 01:40:33,040
yeah you know once you've extracted the

2768
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,520
the spirit and the oil

2769
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:38,400
you've got this kind of mass left over

2770
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,639
which is going to have all its qualities

2771
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,320
extracted

2772
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:44,239
and you you calcine that you burn it

2773
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,159
down to ashes

2774
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:48,320
and those ashes become the longer you

2775
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:51,040
burn them the more pure and the white

2776
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,960
the more fluffy they become

2777
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:54,719
until they're the pure white ashes and

2778
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,679
then

2779
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,920
those are the the calcined

2780
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:00,080
alchemical salts

2781
01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,440
now what would the purpose of these

2782
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:04,560
tinctures be like is it strictly like if

2783
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:05,679
you're trying to be able to trap like

2784
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:07,440
essence or if

2785
01:41:10,790 --> 01:41:08,960
if you're trying to be able to to trap

2786
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,800
something is there a reason that you

2787
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:12,239
would do so

2788
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,000
what what is the end purpose what is the

2789
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:16,400
product for

2790
01:41:21,350 --> 01:41:19,840
well it's a it's a medicine

2791
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,360
it's a

2792
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,679
better scotch

2793
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:24,639
which is

2794
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,880
all the secrets but normal normal purple

2795
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,719
remedies

2796
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:33,360
uh

2797
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:37,750
of

2798
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:44,560
but the alchemical one adds to calcined

2799
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:47,040
ashes or salts so it's got the body of

2800
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,800
the plant into so you separate the

2801
01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,719
spirit the body and the

2802
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:52,639
sorry the spirit the soul and the body

2803
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:55,040
you separate them you refine them then

2804
01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:56,400
you reintegrate them you bring them back

2805
01:42:02,229 --> 01:41:58,560
together so you've got a purified spirit

2806
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:02,239
soul and body back as a unified

2807
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:03,360
entity

2808
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,199
and that is a superior

2809
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:09,840
alchemical or herbal medicine than

2810
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:12,840
an ordinary herbal extraction

2811
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:15,920
so what one what the the purpose that

2812
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:18,800
serves is it just increases the

2813
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:21,520
properties of that plant or herb but if

2814
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:23,440
you look at you know tibetan alchemy is

2815
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,560
actually very

2816
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:26,719
explicit about this they say when you

2817
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,440
you can do medicinal medicinal

2818
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:31,840
extractions

2819
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:34,400
from minerals or herbs

2820
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,679
and

2821
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:37,280
the whole point of those

2822
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:38,639
is to

2823
01:42:44,870 --> 01:42:41,760
prolong the life or health of the as a

2824
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,880
physical body as a practitioner

2825
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:46,560
and

2826
01:42:51,030 --> 01:42:48,639
that buys you more time it literally

2827
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:51,040
buys you more time if you if you live

2828
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:53,199
longer or you're healthier you have more

2829
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:54,159
time

2830
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:55,520
in this incarnation to achieve

2831
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,400
liberation in life

2832
01:43:01,910 --> 01:43:00,320
uh and that you know tibetan alchemy

2833
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:01,920
really places

2834
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,199
uh the physical alchemy in context

2835
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,239
because the physical i mean

2836
01:43:12,709 --> 01:43:10,320
yeah the material alchemy is just making

2837
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:12,719
medicines to live longer

2838
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,960
but that's another endpoint in itself

2839
01:43:19,590 --> 01:43:17,040
the end point is right

2840
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:19,600
the point of your life is to achieve the

2841
01:43:23,910 --> 01:43:22,639
spiritual body you know the immortal

2842
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:23,920
essence you've got to extract the

2843
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,960
emotional essence from your mortal life

2844
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,400
and that is the purpose you know you've

2845
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:30,560
got to you can achieve liberation

2846
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:32,960
in this body in this life

2847
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:34,960
now how does this uh

2848
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,679
connect to monoatomic gold and in any

2849
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,760
way does it

2850
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,480
i have no idea um

2851
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:44,480
tell me tell me more about mono atomic

2852
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:49,350
there's multiple lines here that all

2853
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:51,119
lead towards immortality the modern

2854
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,360
culture has transhumanism you've got

2855
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:55,679
guys like ray kurzweil that are looking

2856
01:43:59,510 --> 01:43:58,159
for the ability to live forever

2857
01:44:02,790 --> 01:43:59,520
downloading your consciousness into

2858
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:02,800
computers you've got ancient shamanism

2859
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:03,920
there's sort of a

2860
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:07,360
mental survivalism being able to handle

2861
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,719
all kinds of different

2862
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,560
mental operating systems combating with

2863
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,239
your brain

2864
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:14,000
so that you can live longer you've got

2865
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:15,600
the pursuit of wealth so that you can

2866
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:17,520
live longer you've got the pursuit of

2867
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,000
alchemy so you can live longer

2868
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:22,719
everything sort of falls back to this

2869
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,760
this notion of longevity and uh there's

2870
01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:28,480
a branch of alchemy

2871
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,280
um maybe haphazard alchemy

2872
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:33,040
along the

2873
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,560
it goes back to

2874
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,639
supposedly back to egypt in the work of

2875
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,480
lawrence gardner they trace it back to

2876
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:40,560
the mount sarabit where the egyptians

2877
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:43,440
were apparently making monoatomic gold

2878
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:45,520
as found by the

2879
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,480
british or sorry uk archaeologist

2880
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,480
flindus petri

2881
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,560
and uh there's sort of a parallel where

2882
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,480
you know alchemy and archaeology come

2883
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,320
together in the past and there's some

2884
01:45:00,149 --> 01:44:58,880
modern alchemical conferences and i

2885
01:45:02,229 --> 01:45:00,159
believe in the united states called the

2886
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,239
inota

2887
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:05,040
where david hudson and

2888
01:45:09,750 --> 01:45:07,920
who was the other don nance who's a

2889
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:09,760
american alchemist

2890
01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:11,440
uh they're you know they're trying to

2891
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,800
find

2892
01:45:17,590 --> 01:45:14,880
monoatomic gold so monoatomic gold is

2893
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,600
where they alchemically would take the a

2894
01:45:21,750 --> 01:45:19,600
piece of gold and then they knock it

2895
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:21,760
back and forth with the acids and bases

2896
01:45:26,310 --> 01:45:23,760
until it breaks down into

2897
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,320
singular pieces of gold

2898
01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:28,960
and apparently there's some root of this

2899
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,760
in ancient egypt specifically in mount

2900
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:32,880
sirabit

2901
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:35,440
uh as found by flinders petri so it's

2902
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:38,080
is that um it's interesting is it

2903
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,030
probably well there's like colloidal

2904
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,280
silvers but monotonics would be very it

2905
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:49,600
would take on a very specific uh

2906
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,639
properties for monoatomic gold where

2907
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,639
according to david hudson and the the

2908
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:56,800
labs that they sent this stuff through

2909
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,750
reduce or increase in weight when it was

2910
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:04,000
heated it would when was heated to

2911
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:05,440
particular levels it would disappear

2912
01:46:09,910 --> 01:46:07,600
from the visible spectrum of light you'd

2913
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:09,920
get very unique properties so apparently

2914
01:46:15,030 --> 01:46:12,560
was um

2915
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:15,040
was the term it was super conductive

2916
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:16,239
essentially

2917
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:17,760
as well

2918
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,840
so the maybe it's there's something to

2919
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:21,199
do with the superconductivity of

2920
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:23,600
monoatomic gold and it disappearing from

2921
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:25,760
the visible light spectrum so here

2922
01:46:28,470 --> 01:46:27,199
you've got all these worlds colliding

2923
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:28,480
you're deep down the rabbit hole and

2924
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:30,080
you're like ah there's something that's

2925
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,480
empirically interesting and spiritually

2926
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,400
connected at the same time

2927
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:36,000
um

2928
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:38,639
you know modern alchemists are you know

2929
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:40,000
is this what funk

2930
01:46:44,310 --> 01:46:41,280
falconelli

2931
01:46:46,149 --> 01:46:44,320
discovered is this is this hogwash

2932
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:46,159
uh well you know we could test if it's

2933
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:47,760
hogwash or not we could see

2934
01:46:52,270 --> 01:46:50,159
you know is it if i make monoatomic gold

2935
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:52,280
the proper way and i get the ph exactly

2936
01:46:56,390 --> 01:46:54,639
10.78 and all these

2937
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:56,400
pieces of the recipe

2938
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,639
um i would have empirical i would have a

2939
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,119
lump of monoatomic gold on the desk or a

2940
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:02,560
heating plate and it would disappear

2941
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,239
from the visible spectrum and come back

2942
01:47:06,950 --> 01:47:05,840
when it was cooled down and that would

2943
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,960
be like

2944
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:09,119
now we've really got something really

2945
01:47:12,870 --> 01:47:10,880
interesting here we've got something

2946
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:12,880
that's empirically you know visible

2947
01:47:16,470 --> 01:47:14,639
repeatable testable

2948
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:16,480
and uh has a connection to the ancient

2949
01:47:20,229 --> 01:47:17,760
world

2950
01:47:23,830 --> 01:47:20,239
that's what makes it so interesting

2951
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:23,840
is it like a solid material form or is

2952
01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:25,760
it that's like a salt white powder like

2953
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:27,280
white sugar salt

2954
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:29,360
it's like cocaine but instead of killing

2955
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:31,760
you it makes it makes you live longer

2956
01:47:37,590 --> 01:47:35,119
it's all chemical cocaine right they

2957
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:37,600
theorize that it interacts with the dna

2958
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:40,480
in the body and sort of activates

2959
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:41,920
cadmium stuff and you get into all sorts

2960
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:43,520
of hogwash

2961
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:45,199
notions i can't with any kind of stuff

2962
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:47,520
they talk about monoatomic gold but

2963
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:48,560
there is

2964
01:47:54,149 --> 01:47:51,280
in in alchemical tradition

2965
01:47:56,470 --> 01:47:54,159
uh this idea of colloidal gold or gold

2966
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,480
salts

2967
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:58,480
and there is a tradition going fairly

2968
01:48:03,669 --> 01:47:59,600
it's anyway

2969
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,950
and

2970
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:07,199
the thing is with gold is that

2971
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,199
gold is the

2972
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,840
the royal or noble metal because

2973
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:14,080
generally speaking

2974
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,000
it doesn't react you can't just you know

2975
01:48:19,669 --> 01:48:18,480
nothing destroys it it was only when

2976
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:19,679
they they

2977
01:48:28,470 --> 01:48:25,830
getting closer towards immortality

2978
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,480
yeah well it's it's the immortal body in

2979
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:30,320
the mineral kingdom or the metallic

2980
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:33,280
kingdom you know um

2981
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:35,040
so

2982
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,679
it is always symbolically it's all you

2983
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,760
know it's always about

2984
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,760
um

2985
01:48:46,390 --> 01:48:44,000
yeah the immortal body or the immortal

2986
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,400
being um

2987
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:48,560
i just find it really interesting that

2988
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,600
if we have if we have a physically

2989
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,040
you know a tangible repeatable

2990
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:55,440
alchemical process where we found a

2991
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:57,040
monoatomic it disappears from the

2992
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:58,719
visible spectrum

2993
01:49:02,870 --> 01:49:01,040
it's not a philosophy anymore it's you

2994
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:02,880
know we're not looking at the world from

2995
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,360
a dualistic perspective where you've got

2996
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:07,280
the soul in the material world

2997
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,560
suddenly you've got evidence for

2998
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:12,719
maybe maybe the merger of the two in a

2999
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,600
particular substance

3000
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,280
physics properties

3001
01:49:23,590 --> 01:49:20,080
i've heard of mono atomic gold but it's

3002
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:23,600
not something i've looked into per se

3003
01:49:28,870 --> 01:49:25,920
what i mean my alchemical research is

3004
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:28,880
one thing it has it's showing me a

3005
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,000
thread for the idea of

3006
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:34,239
colloidal gold or

3007
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:35,440
um

3008
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:37,199
gold salts

3009
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,199
and the thing is we've got because gold

3010
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:41,360
is unreactive and most things can't even

3011
01:49:45,350 --> 01:49:43,840
touch it or destroy it

3012
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,360
for a long time it was this immortal

3013
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:46,560
substance

3014
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:47,760
but

3015
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,560
at some point they developed um mineral

3016
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,480
acids

3017
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:55,440
uh like aqua regia was an alchemical

3018
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:59,040
term for like a royal water which is

3019
01:50:03,510 --> 01:50:02,480
able to dissolve silver and gold

3020
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:03,520
and

3021
01:50:07,590 --> 01:50:05,360
when you dissolve

3022
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:07,600
gold and you can kind of precipitate it

3023
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:10,400
down to its salts you get

3024
01:50:15,030 --> 01:50:12,159
gold chloride

3025
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,040
it's a form of gold and it's it's saline

3026
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:17,760
or it's salt form

3027
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:20,719
and that was used that that that can be

3028
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,560
used in making colloidal gold like you

3029
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,760
have or silver but it was also and when

3030
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:28,560
you put it in a solution it

3031
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,440
makes like this violet purple

3032
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:34,080
colored liquid

3033
01:50:37,750 --> 01:50:35,920
um but

3034
01:50:39,750 --> 01:50:37,760
some of the elk like the alchemists in

3035
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:39,760
the 17th and 18th century were doing

3036
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,560
this

3037
01:50:43,910 --> 01:50:42,880
and putting it in glass

3038
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:43,920
and

3039
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:44,960
there's a

3040
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:48,239
glass

3041
01:50:57,590 --> 01:50:53,600
which is colored with these gold salt so

3042
01:50:59,910 --> 01:50:57,600
it's colloidal gold um precipitate

3043
01:51:03,510 --> 01:50:59,920
and that was kind of

3044
01:51:05,350 --> 01:51:03,520
seems to be the secret behind the glass

3045
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:05,360
the stained glass of the cathedrals

3046
01:51:11,590 --> 01:51:09,600
which was what falcon alley was um yeah

3047
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:11,600
uh and schwaller de ludwig was actually

3048
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:14,080
working with falcon um one of the

3049
01:51:18,550 --> 01:51:15,520
the figures

3050
01:51:21,189 --> 01:51:18,560
behind the name falconelli

3051
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,199
was working with fala on precisely just

3052
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,960
this you know they're working on

3053
01:51:27,189 --> 01:51:25,199
recreating the

3054
01:51:30,149 --> 01:51:27,199
the mysterious blues and reds of the

3055
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:30,159
chartres cathedral the stained glass

3056
01:51:33,669 --> 01:51:32,000
the medieval techniques of stained glass

3057
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:33,679
making which were alleged to be

3058
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:36,239
alchemical and not merely

3059
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,000
chemical because most stained glass was

3060
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:39,920
created just by adding

3061
01:51:45,430 --> 01:51:43,119
oxides of various metals so you know

3062
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,440
iron oxide for red and

3063
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:47,520
copper oxides for

3064
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,000
for green have you ever seen a chemical

3065
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:52,719
experiment where they look at

3066
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:54,800
oil of pumpkin seed

3067
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,080
which is actually it's dichromatic

3068
01:52:01,750 --> 01:52:00,159
so you get yellow

3069
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:01,760
uh and then red

3070
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:03,760
out of one liquid substance but there's

3071
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,000
a break in the color spectrum

3072
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,159
so it gives you very strange

3073
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:09,679
color properties the same thing happens

3074
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,199
with the same thing happens with um

3075
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:16,000
a glass stained with colloidal gold you

3076
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:17,599
know you there's and then there's

3077
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:20,159
actually an example of it in

3078
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,159
in the roman world this it's called the

3079
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:23,679
lysurges cup

3080
01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:27,679
this is this cup of glasses elaborate

3081
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:29,520
um carved

3082
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:31,760
glass cup

3083
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:34,400
which i think it's uh in

3084
01:52:41,109 --> 01:52:37,520
in transmitted light it is green but in

3085
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,119
in uh reflected light it's red

3086
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:43,199
and it's it's made it's made of glass

3087
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:45,280
stained with you know

3088
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,320
colloidal and colloidal gold is nano

3089
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:50,960
it's nano technology right it's no

3090
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:52,880
particular

3091
01:52:56,790 --> 01:52:55,679
nano particulated gold

3092
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:56,800
in it

3093
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:59,199
um and that's what's put into the into

3094
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:01,360
the you know molten glass

3095
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,639
i'm going to bring this up here actually

3096
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:04,320
because i've got it on online i'm just

3097
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:06,560
going to show it to the viewers

3098
01:53:13,430 --> 01:53:12,149
this is from smithsonian mag and i'm

3099
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:13,440
probably gonna get some flack for this

3100
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:15,119
at some point you know if for anybody

3101
01:53:20,149 --> 01:53:17,920
who's onto the whole giant conspiracy uh

3102
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:20,159
so the i'm a subscriber to the

3103
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:22,800
smithsonian yeah that's a possibility so

3104
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,520
it's the the the cup is green

3105
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:28,000
but through light it turns red and it's

3106
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,679
right here on screen so i'm going to

3107
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:31,599
switch back so that we can see uh

3108
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,520
aaron's beautiful face once more there

3109
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,679
we go and we're back in studio

3110
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:41,510
what what's interesting about that right

3111
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:44,080
is according to modern science

3112
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:46,080
we didn't really have the mineral acids

3113
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:48,560
that could dissolve gold into its nano

3114
01:53:54,310 --> 01:53:51,679
particular state until

3115
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:54,320
jesus uh it was like the 17th century

3116
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:57,280
maybe or give or take a century right um

3117
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,719
it certainly wasn't back in roman times

3118
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:02,080
um

3119
01:54:07,350 --> 01:54:04,320
so we you've got this

3120
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,360
cup there's glassware which

3121
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:09,679
seems to be made of uh you know no no

3122
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:11,360
particularly what seems to be you know

3123
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:14,480
has none particularly gold properties

3124
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:17,119
giving green and red

3125
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:19,520
uh color in a different light

3126
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,840
um what this suggests is that you know

3127
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:23,760
they may maybe they had knowledge of

3128
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:26,880
mineral acids back in roman times

3129
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:29,360
um that that's something that

3130
01:54:34,310 --> 01:54:31,280
in the history of science is is not

3131
01:54:37,430 --> 01:54:34,320
acknowledged as far as i know

3132
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:37,440
and i have a um now i call an alchemical

3133
01:54:42,870 --> 01:54:39,920
colleague uh from new york daniel

3134
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:42,880
burnham who i i correspond a lot with

3135
01:54:47,350 --> 01:54:46,000
and he has and i'm working with him on a

3136
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:47,360
translation

3137
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,040
a greek

3138
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:55,360
alchemical lexicon

3139
01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:57,119
and he's got a particular interpretation

3140
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,599
where he thinks that

3141
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:01,840
uh he's made a pretty good case for the

3142
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:03,360
fact that

3143
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:05,679
the this lexicon in these early greek

3144
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:09,199
hellenistic roman greco-roman era

3145
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:12,080
um alchemical texts

3146
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:13,199
uh

3147
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:16,080
allude to techniques for making mineral

3148
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:17,360
acids

3149
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:21,199
you know back in those times then you

3150
01:55:24,870 --> 01:55:22,880
can make colloidal gold and if you can

3151
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:24,880
make colloidal gold you can make

3152
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:26,320
stained glass

3153
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:29,760
that has these uh these dual properties

3154
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:32,560
um what was the term you used that food

3155
01:55:39,189 --> 01:55:36,159
monoatomic dichromatic or

3156
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:39,199
superconductive uh monoatomic gold

3157
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:40,800
right okay so that's that's that's what

3158
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:42,719
we once we're talking about particles

3159
01:55:45,109 --> 01:55:43,599
the other one we're talking about the

3160
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:45,119
light coming off the particles so

3161
01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:46,719
they're interrelated not all

3162
01:55:51,189 --> 01:55:48,400
nanoparticles would be

3163
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:51,199
diachromatic by any means yeah

3164
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:53,679
so there's a very real possibility that

3165
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:55,760
this technology existed

3166
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:59,040
i mean this laserjust cup is is telling

3167
01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:00,960
for the very reason that well how would

3168
01:56:05,030 --> 01:56:02,719
they make this if they didn't have

3169
01:56:07,350 --> 01:56:05,040
mineral acids that could dissolve gold

3170
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:07,360
into its colloidal form

3171
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:10,080
to put into glass to make it you know

3172
01:56:13,669 --> 01:56:12,159
diaphragmatic

3173
01:56:15,669 --> 01:56:13,679
explain that

3174
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:15,679
i i don't think i could all in all

3175
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:18,000
honestly yeah

3176
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:19,360
we don't so

3177
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:21,119
cool we wouldn't be talking about it

3178
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:22,400
thousands of years later we know a

3179
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,599
little about the past we know it's a

3180
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:25,760
little about what happened before hell

3181
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:28,080
even like the 1800s we don't know

3182
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:29,280
everything

3183
01:56:35,430 --> 01:56:33,040
and the idea that the ancients or the

3184
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:35,440
people who came 2000 before us or 2000

3185
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:36,320
plus

3186
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:39,119
did not have technology that we have

3187
01:56:43,109 --> 01:56:41,119
today or certain techniques that produce

3188
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:43,119
a certain technology such as let's say

3189
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,480
batteries

3190
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:46,080
and i know that there was there was a

3191
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:48,639
mention of uh

3192
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:50,400
the baghdad battery i i honestly i

3193
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:52,239
forgot who said this but the baghdad

3194
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,800
battery could have been used uh to

3195
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:56,639
uh you know not only did they find salt

3196
01:57:00,070 --> 01:56:58,480
in it well okay well think about it this

3197
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,080
way like the bad guy battery was used

3198
01:57:04,070 --> 01:57:02,400
for power but also you know they they

3199
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:04,080
say like uh you know electrolysis of you

3200
01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:06,800
know but to be able to um uh

3201
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:07,679
plate

3202
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:09,440
something in gold and it could have been

3203
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:12,639
used for forgery of of uh

3204
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:14,320
of coins

3205
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:16,719
basically you make coins that are silver

3206
01:57:19,589 --> 01:57:18,400
you plate them in gold and it's going to

3207
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:19,599
cost you a lot less notice and you've

3208
01:57:23,750 --> 01:57:21,679
got these gold coins that look

3209
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:23,760
you know look gold so the idea that they

3210
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:25,920
had this capability back then that is

3211
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:27,119
interesting because the very the

3212
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:28,320
earliest

3213
01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:30,000
you know greek

3214
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:32,639
and um demotic

3215
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:34,320
alchemical texts that we have these

3216
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:36,000
coming out of the

3217
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:39,840
greek roman and coptic period uh

3218
01:57:45,030 --> 01:57:43,599
are often recipes for

3219
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,040
uh

3220
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:47,840
faking in a sense metallic appearance

3221
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:50,880
you know especially silver and gold

3222
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:52,320
because for you know the ancient world

3223
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:53,920
looked at metals in a different way than

3224
01:57:56,709 --> 01:57:55,360
we do you know it didn't have this kind

3225
01:58:03,030 --> 01:57:56,719
of

3226
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:03,040
uh

3227
01:58:08,709 --> 01:58:06,880
so but metals were what they appeared

3228
01:58:10,790 --> 01:58:08,719
and how they

3229
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:10,800
seemed to us in an invisible in a

3230
01:58:14,629 --> 01:58:12,960
tactile sense

3231
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:14,639
and so that a lot of the recipes were

3232
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:16,400
like well here's how you make gold and

3233
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:18,320
they took they're basically talking

3234
01:58:24,070 --> 01:58:22,800
about faking gold uh or silver and

3235
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:24,080
um

3236
01:58:28,790 --> 01:58:26,880
and there's often a surface patina or

3237
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:28,800
you know coating

3238
01:58:33,030 --> 01:58:31,280
that they that they seem to be referring

3239
01:58:35,109 --> 01:58:33,040
to there was a tincture they would say

3240
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:35,119
which is stain or color the metal didn't

3241
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:37,119
they have gold or silver

3242
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:38,320
um

3243
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:39,840
but it just you know so it seems like

3244
01:58:42,709 --> 01:58:41,679
yeah okay there were there's a method of

3245
01:58:44,550 --> 01:58:42,719
coating

3246
01:58:46,870 --> 01:58:44,560
a metal uh

3247
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:46,880
in silver or gold but

3248
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:48,320
some of the you know the other texts

3249
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:49,840
talk about

3250
01:58:53,910 --> 01:58:51,920
the what they call the deep tincture

3251
01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:53,920
wasn't just it wasn't just a surface

3252
01:58:56,530 --> 01:58:56,080
thing she was like they called it a

3253
01:58:58,550 --> 01:58:56,540
um

3254
01:58:59,830 --> 01:58:58,560
[Music]

3255
01:59:01,830 --> 01:58:59,840
uh

3256
01:59:04,229 --> 01:59:01,840
some cutter buffets the greek term i

3257
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:04,239
think like a deep

3258
01:59:07,669 --> 01:59:06,000
uh a deep thing a tincture that

3259
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:07,679
penetrated right through to the essence

3260
01:59:09,910 --> 01:59:09,119
of the metal

3261
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:09,920
so

3262
01:59:14,629 --> 01:59:12,000
yes yes there are terms that i thought

3263
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:14,639
there are techniques that allege

3264
01:59:17,990 --> 01:59:16,560
a surface kind of transformation of the

3265
01:59:20,629 --> 01:59:18,000
middle but they're also ones that seem

3266
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:20,639
to go literally deeper and

3267
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:23,119
penetrate and transform the whole

3268
01:59:27,189 --> 01:59:26,080
body of the metal

3269
01:59:28,709 --> 01:59:27,199
and

3270
01:59:31,030 --> 01:59:28,719
what was it that alex you were talking

3271
01:59:33,830 --> 01:59:31,040
about that one guy who apparently was

3272
01:59:36,310 --> 01:59:33,840
able to achieve actual immortality

3273
01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:36,320
through his focanelli okay well folk

3274
01:59:41,109 --> 01:59:38,880
football is the esteemed alchemist okay

3275
01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:41,119
well for for that type of alchemy like

3276
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:42,560
we're talking being able to find a flaw

3277
01:59:47,030 --> 01:59:44,400
that's a

3278
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:47,040
interesting notion we talked you know we

3279
01:59:50,470 --> 01:59:48,960
talked to some people about alchemy and

3280
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:50,480
potential

3281
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:51,920
you know the pyramid as a chemical

3282
01:59:56,310 --> 01:59:54,960
factory and salts i i posted that six

3283
01:59:58,390 --> 01:59:56,320
hour long documentary where they were

3284
02:00:01,350 --> 01:59:58,400
talking about molten salts being

3285
02:00:02,950 --> 02:00:01,360
and nuclear reactors with molten salts

3286
02:00:05,589 --> 02:00:02,960
being the only thing that would really

3287
02:00:06,629 --> 02:00:05,599
take humanity to the stars as an energy

3288
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:06,639
source

3289
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:08,639
we find we're chatting about finding

3290
02:00:13,270 --> 02:00:10,719
salts evidence of salt inside the

3291
02:00:16,950 --> 02:00:13,280
pyramids that's very empirical evidence

3292
02:00:18,310 --> 02:00:16,960
it doesn't require much speculation

3293
02:00:19,510 --> 02:00:18,320
alchemy

3294
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:19,520
sorry getting back to your question here

3295
02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:22,960
but alchemy in terms of uh

3296
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:24,880
interacting with the body

3297
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:27,360
that is a very very interesting thing

3298
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:29,280
that i feel like

3299
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:31,199
modern research could do you could take

3300
02:00:34,709 --> 02:00:32,800
spagyric tinctures you could take

3301
02:00:36,550 --> 02:00:34,719
monatomics you could look at them

3302
02:00:38,950 --> 02:00:36,560
interacting with organisms in a petri

3303
02:00:40,550 --> 02:00:38,960
dish you know how does superconductivity

3304
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:40,560
affect the human body

3305
02:00:44,950 --> 02:00:43,119
if it's inside of your body that's a

3306
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:44,960
very interesting thing that could be

3307
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:47,280
empirically studied that doesn't require

3308
02:00:52,390 --> 02:00:49,440
anything

3309
02:00:57,990 --> 02:00:55,510
that's definitely um

3310
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,000
it's definitely a thing but at the end

3311
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:00,960
of the day i i come back to the idea of

3312
02:01:06,790 --> 02:01:04,239
i mean there are these definitely

3313
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:06,800
empirically

3314
02:01:11,109 --> 02:01:08,480
empirical physical

3315
02:01:13,350 --> 02:01:11,119
aspects of alchemy that can be

3316
02:01:15,030 --> 02:01:13,360
uh researched and explored in a

3317
02:01:16,310 --> 02:01:15,040
non-woo-woo way

3318
02:01:19,109 --> 02:01:16,320
and some scholars are doing this you

3319
02:01:20,870 --> 02:01:19,119
know there's scholars like principe and

3320
02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:20,880
newman who

3321
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:22,960
are reproducing the experiments of

3322
02:01:28,149 --> 02:01:25,679
newton and other alchemists

3323
02:01:31,350 --> 02:01:28,159
uh in a laboratory setting you know that

3324
02:01:34,790 --> 02:01:31,360
recreate that they're translating the

3325
02:01:37,350 --> 02:01:34,800
decoded terminology of of of newton's

3326
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:37,360
alchemical writings and other and and

3327
02:01:41,589 --> 02:01:39,280
and other alchemists and they're

3328
02:01:44,070 --> 02:01:41,599
actually recreating their experiments in

3329
02:01:45,510 --> 02:01:44,080
a chemical form

3330
02:01:48,790 --> 02:01:45,520
but and that's cool you know there's

3331
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:48,800
nothing wrong with that but i think

3332
02:01:53,830 --> 02:01:51,360
for me personally speaking ultimately

3333
02:01:54,629 --> 02:01:53,840
you know alchemy is

3334
02:01:57,350 --> 02:01:54,639
not

3335
02:01:59,589 --> 02:01:57,360
a biochemical phenomenon i mean that

3336
02:02:01,109 --> 02:01:59,599
that can feed into it and form a part of

3337
02:02:02,149 --> 02:02:01,119
it

3338
02:02:04,709 --> 02:02:02,159
but

3339
02:02:07,589 --> 02:02:04,719
ultimately i think alchemy is the art of

3340
02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:07,599
creating the immortal body or

3341
02:02:12,870 --> 02:02:09,920
i mean i would say instead creating is a

3342
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:12,880
misleading term it's more like

3343
02:02:17,910 --> 02:02:15,599
uh restoring or rediscovering

3344
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:17,920
because the immortal body already exists

3345
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:21,040
it's primordial and ever present so

3346
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:22,480
it's more like

3347
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:24,880
i liken it to

3348
02:02:29,189 --> 02:02:27,119
michelangelo and

3349
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:29,199
the statue making process where he would

3350
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:30,960
he he said he would

3351
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:33,679
have this lump of refu and stern he

3352
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:36,080
would just take away the

3353
02:02:41,910 --> 02:02:39,280
the extraneous stone to to reveal the

3354
02:02:43,750 --> 02:02:41,920
primordially perfect statue you know and

3355
02:02:45,669 --> 02:02:43,760
that's really what

3356
02:02:47,430 --> 02:02:45,679
the creation of the alchemical body is

3357
02:02:49,030 --> 02:02:47,440
like the immortal body

3358
02:02:50,470 --> 02:02:49,040
the immortal being

3359
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,480
is already

3360
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:52,800
eternally present in us

3361
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:55,360
we just have to remove

3362
02:03:02,229 --> 02:02:59,280
the the mortal parts and i mean um

3363
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:02,239
chris you said you're a freemason

3364
02:03:06,229 --> 02:03:04,080
and to me destructs are an important

3365
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:06,239
note of resonance because

3366
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,599
obviously you have to you have the idea

3367
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:09,520
of this the stone that which is rough

3368
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:12,239
you and the and the perfect stone

3369
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:15,199
but also the idea of in freemasonry of

3370
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:17,360
creating better men and not just in a

3371
02:03:22,390 --> 02:03:20,080
social or ethical sense but in a

3372
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,400
in an esoteric or primordial sense

3373
02:03:24,870 --> 02:03:24,080
you're creating the internal temple you

3374
02:03:27,750 --> 02:03:24,880
should

3375
02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:27,760
i mean you're shedding mental models

3376
02:03:32,310 --> 02:03:29,520
obviously as well so i mean alchemy

3377
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:32,320
there's a spiritual quest in alchemy and

3378
02:03:36,470 --> 02:03:34,560
you have to distill the inner the inner

3379
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:36,480
man the inner mind

3380
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:38,400
definitely but you could also say well

3381
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:40,320
maybe there is a discrete process here

3382
02:03:45,030 --> 02:03:42,960
and once human beings stop tripping over

3383
02:03:47,669 --> 02:03:45,040
all these false mental models that we've

3384
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:47,679
created for ourselves we might actually

3385
02:03:51,830 --> 02:03:49,440
get towards that that notion of

3386
02:03:55,109 --> 02:03:51,840
immortality or understand and i think

3387
02:03:56,709 --> 02:03:55,119
you know in a non-dual sense

3388
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:56,719
chemical consciousness

3389
02:04:01,750 --> 02:03:59,360
interrelations well yeah

3390
02:04:03,270 --> 02:04:01,760
and in a non-dual sense our physical

3391
02:04:05,830 --> 02:04:03,280
body and our

3392
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:05,840
actual health and our diet and all these

3393
02:04:10,229 --> 02:04:08,880
kind of aspects are not irrelevant you

3394
02:04:11,830 --> 02:04:10,239
know we can't just go we're in a

3395
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:11,840
spiritual alchemical past now so we

3396
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:13,520
don't have to worry about

3397
02:04:16,390 --> 02:04:15,360
the physical being it's like no no

3398
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:16,400
they're all

3399
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:18,960
all interrelated and if you look at the

3400
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:21,920
traditional medicines of

3401
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:23,920
the east you know ayurveda and chinese

3402
02:04:28,870 --> 02:04:26,880
medicine and um

3403
02:04:31,109 --> 02:04:28,880
which are intimately

3404
02:04:33,430 --> 02:04:31,119
connected to their alchemies you know so

3405
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:33,440
chinese alchemy is very much intertwined

3406
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:34,320
with

3407
02:04:39,109 --> 02:04:36,159
chinese medicine

3408
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:39,119
and the internal arts of transformation

3409
02:04:42,229 --> 02:04:40,400
and

3410
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:42,239
it's the same in ayurveda you know the

3411
02:04:46,709 --> 02:04:44,000
the the

3412
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:46,719
the um in the sanskrit term for alchemy

3413
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:49,280
is rasayana which is still

3414
02:04:56,149 --> 02:04:52,800
russian means the path of essences

3415
02:04:58,470 --> 02:04:56,159
and russian in modern ayurvedic medicine

3416
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:58,480
means it's a form of rejuvenation

3417
02:05:01,830 --> 02:04:59,920
therapy

3418
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:01,840
so there's there's often an overlap

3419
02:05:05,669 --> 02:05:04,159
between the traditional medical treat

3420
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:05,679
systems

3421
02:05:11,589 --> 02:05:09,280
and in the the body as we we we know it

3422
02:05:13,589 --> 02:05:11,599
and also and and the subtle or or

3423
02:05:15,430 --> 02:05:13,599
immortal body yeah so

3424
02:05:18,950 --> 02:05:15,440
we know in in chinese direction we have

3425
02:05:21,589 --> 02:05:18,960
the system of meridians and and pathways

3426
02:05:25,669 --> 02:05:21,599
of energy in in the physical body but a

3427
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:25,679
more subtle energetic um

3428
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:27,440
uh you know

3429
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:31,040
network within our being which uh is

3430
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:34,000
as real as our our veins and and nervous

3431
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:35,280
system

3432
02:05:38,229 --> 02:05:36,159
um

3433
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,239
so you know this is where the the it's

3434
02:05:41,030 --> 02:05:40,320
non-dual the physical and the spiritual

3435
02:05:43,430 --> 02:05:41,040
are

3436
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:43,440
intertwined and interwoven you know the

3437
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:46,159
chinese texts talk about how

3438
02:05:51,669 --> 02:05:49,679
chi or energy follows blood you know so

3439
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:51,679
we've got veins of which carry our blood

3440
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,840
but we've also got

3441
02:05:57,350 --> 02:05:56,239
uh meridians which carry out our vital

3442
02:05:58,709 --> 02:05:57,360
energy

3443
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:58,719
and

3444
02:06:02,870 --> 02:05:59,840
um

3445
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:02,880
so i mean the point i'm making is that

3446
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:05,119
if we can reduce it to a purely physical

3447
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:06,880
level or we can reduce it to a purely

3448
02:06:10,550 --> 02:06:08,880
spiritual level

3449
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:10,560
either would be misleading

3450
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:11,920
uh

3451
02:06:15,910 --> 02:06:13,840
the reality is that they're intertwined

3452
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:15,920
fundamentally intertwined and we have to

3453
02:06:22,149 --> 02:06:18,560
engage reality is both a physical and

3454
02:06:23,830 --> 02:06:22,159
metaphysical uh phenomenon now my my

3455
02:06:26,709 --> 02:06:23,840
question is how do cats play into this

3456
02:06:28,830 --> 02:06:26,719
because as your cat is on your lap my

3457
02:06:30,470 --> 02:06:28,840
cat was on my lap for that entire

3458
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:30,480
conversation yeah they could hear each

3459
02:06:33,750 --> 02:06:31,920
other through the microphones like their

3460
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:33,760
ears are that good

3461
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:36,159
yeah they are and i i'm going to i know

3462
02:06:39,750 --> 02:06:38,000
alex perfect distraction from the

3463
02:06:41,510 --> 02:06:39,760
metaphysical well you kicked your coke

3464
02:06:42,550 --> 02:06:41,520
out of the studio you jealous son of a

3465
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,560
gun

3466
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,480
they're needy little [\h__\h] we're

3467
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:46,800
trying to we're trying to dig into

3468
02:06:50,870 --> 02:06:48,960
the depths of the human

3469
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:50,880
psyche and the material world

3470
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:53,920
simultaneously here the egyptians

3471
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:55,760
gods why do you think that is she's

3472
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:57,280
trying to tell us something they got too

3473
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:00,560
deep into the ghost in the machine and

3474
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:02,480
only the cats could see their

3475
02:07:06,229 --> 02:07:04,239
their mortal essences

3476
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:06,239
after that happened

3477
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:09,760
cats are our feline overlords you know

3478
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:11,360
we think they're our pets but they're

3479
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:16,470
oh well we we have

3480
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:18,239
my i'm going to call my production

3481
02:07:22,470 --> 02:07:20,560
intern indy and you haven't seen him

3482
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:22,480
because he never comes into the studio

3483
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:23,840
he's a

3484
02:07:29,910 --> 02:07:27,440
12 13 pound black long hair

3485
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:29,920
the dumbest cat alive but he will let

3486
02:07:33,990 --> 02:07:32,400
you cuddle him like a teddy bear so i

3487
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:34,000
i'd rather be laying down anywhere and

3488
02:07:38,149 --> 02:07:36,320
he will just like lay on like my like

3489
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:38,159
the the shoulder that is laying on the

3490
02:07:42,149 --> 02:07:40,159
couch or on the bed he'll just lay on

3491
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:42,159
that on that side just like just hold me

3492
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:43,840
just hold me that's all he says and

3493
02:07:46,629 --> 02:07:45,119
that's all he wants

3494
02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,639
you know you pet him for a bit he just

3495
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:48,480
starts chewing on your fingers

3496
02:07:52,149 --> 02:07:50,400
now

3497
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:52,159
considering there there is the idea

3498
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:55,119
behind egyptians uh revering

3499
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:57,040
kansas gods and the fact that cats have

3500
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,400
been seen as

3501
02:08:02,790 --> 02:08:00,880
an otherworldly type connection creature

3502
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:02,800
whether we're talking about witches

3503
02:08:07,589 --> 02:08:05,679
or what have you um

3504
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:07,599
i'm gonna ask flat out like have you

3505
02:08:11,830 --> 02:08:09,840
looked into or seen

3506
02:08:13,830 --> 02:08:11,840
anything with regards to felines and

3507
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:13,840
they're like some type of extra sensory

3508
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:17,119
perception or any type of ability to

3509
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:19,520
sense beyond the standard four senses

3510
02:08:23,270 --> 02:08:20,960
like have you looked into this at all

3511
02:08:25,109 --> 02:08:23,280
you have one yeah so well

3512
02:08:28,310 --> 02:08:25,119
i think everyone anyone that's ever had

3513
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,320
a cat knows that a cat will

3514
02:08:32,950 --> 02:08:30,639
stare into some part of the room that

3515
02:08:34,790 --> 02:08:32,960
where there's [\h__\h] nothing existing

3516
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:34,800
and act like they're freaking freaking

3517
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:41,430
has had that experience and they're like

3518
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:43,360
okay this cat is saying something that i

3519
02:08:47,830 --> 02:08:45,199
am not you know all cats are

3520
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:47,840
schizophrenic

3521
02:08:51,669 --> 02:08:49,040
um

3522
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:51,679
or it's the the toxoplasma

3523
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:53,599
and the capsules years ago

3524
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:55,119
it was um

3525
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:56,960
years ago i was walking i was it was in

3526
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:00,800
brisbane in australia they had a um

3527
02:09:04,709 --> 02:09:02,880
an egyptian exhibition at the museum

3528
02:09:06,470 --> 02:09:04,719
they had uh artifacts from around the

3529
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:06,480
world and uh

3530
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:07,440
some

3531
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:09,280
god sake and reason brought them to

3532
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:11,360
australia for a short time

3533
02:09:14,790 --> 02:09:12,960
and um

3534
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:14,800
i was going through this exhibition and

3535
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:18,159
one thing struck me was that

3536
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:19,440
i had this kind of insight or

3537
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:22,159
realization which has stuck with me

3538
02:09:26,790 --> 02:09:24,719
and it was the preponderance of you know

3539
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:26,800
serpents but also

3540
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:29,520
cats in egyptian iconography

3541
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:30,840
and i realized

3542
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:33,760
hey both of these on the mic

3543
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:35,920
most of these [\h__\h] have like

3544
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:37,119
this

3545
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:38,880
slit iris

3546
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:39,760
you know

3547
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,960
they have this like um

3548
02:09:47,430 --> 02:09:45,280
i don't know i just i i sense this this

3549
02:09:49,189 --> 02:09:47,440
deep connection between the serpent and

3550
02:09:51,669 --> 02:09:49,199
the female

3551
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:51,679
in in the form of the eye the iris has

3552
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:52,719
got this

3553
02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:55,520
slit form

3554
02:10:03,270 --> 02:10:01,510
is different you know to our round

3555
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:03,280
like are you saying cats or dinosaurs

3556
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,960
evolved

3557
02:10:10,069 --> 02:10:07,119
i don't know and i mean there's other

3558
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:10,079
creatures that have have like a a slit

3559
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:11,520
iris like goats but they're kind of

3560
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:16,709
their inner consciousness is different

3561
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,679
than ours because of it

3562
02:10:24,149 --> 02:10:21,440
there's just something there i i can't

3563
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:24,159
say it was more an intuitive perception

3564
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:25,920
for me and i can't say i know the

3565
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:28,639
ultimate ramifications of it but it did

3566
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:30,560
strike a very deep note of resonance and

3567
02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:32,239
went hmm there's something there there's

3568
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:35,280
something there um serpents and and cat

3569
02:10:40,229 --> 02:10:37,599
or felines have this

3570
02:10:41,350 --> 02:10:40,239
unusual unusual connection in terms of

3571
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:41,360
their

3572
02:10:47,270 --> 02:10:45,840
frog eyes are slightly different frog

3573
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:47,280
eyes are more of like a

3574
02:11:19,910 --> 02:10:48,400
a

3575
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:19,920
between those two

3576
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:20,800
mediums

3577
02:11:25,189 --> 02:11:22,480
constantly

3578
02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:25,199
through an iris that is

3579
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:27,840
like a vertical slit or a horizontal

3580
02:11:32,629 --> 02:11:30,480
slit or some [\h__\h] frog

3581
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:32,639
a horizontal vertical split

3582
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:34,079
you know

3583
02:11:38,069 --> 02:11:35,920
it it goes to show like if you look at

3584
02:11:39,189 --> 02:11:38,079
the the serpent throughout the ages like

3585
02:11:41,910 --> 02:11:39,199
so the serpent is supposed to be

3586
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:41,920
considered uh wisdom like it's knowledge

3587
02:11:44,790 --> 02:11:42,800
it is

3588
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:44,800
it's it's it's like don't know being

3589
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:46,400
power as far as the symbol is concerned

3590
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:48,320
the cat is kind of the exact same way

3591
02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:49,920
but it's more of the physical hunter

3592
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:52,639
prowess style of of wisdom it's it's the

3593
02:11:57,750 --> 02:11:54,560
survival aspect so you've got the

3594
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:57,760
reptilian versus the mammalian uh

3595
02:12:02,790 --> 02:12:00,639
expression yeah it also goes to like to

3596
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:02,800
show and again we're going like way off

3597
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:04,239
topic here but still trying to keep it

3598
02:12:07,669 --> 02:12:05,679
on on

3599
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:07,679
that's good that's good we're still like

3600
02:12:10,790 --> 02:12:09,199
keeping it on subject here but at the

3601
02:12:12,870 --> 02:12:10,800
same time

3602
02:12:14,390 --> 02:12:12,880
if you look at a cat's behavior and it

3603
02:12:15,830 --> 02:12:14,400
i'm assuming it would have been the same

3604
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:15,840
throughout the last

3605
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:16,800
um

3606
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:18,159
you know several thousand years since

3607
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:20,000
they've been domesticated so you're

3608
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:22,480
looking at a creature that can take care

3609
02:12:29,030 --> 02:12:24,719
of itself could feed itself can groom

3610
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:29,040
itself um you know is able to

3611
02:12:33,669 --> 02:12:31,280
kind of discern evil from not like you

3612
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:33,679
know i had one cat who

3613
02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:35,920
absolutely hated an ex-girlfriend and

3614
02:12:39,830 --> 02:12:38,000
she ended up being an absolute [\h__\h]

3615
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:39,840
and i i couldn't see this right off the

3616
02:12:42,550 --> 02:12:41,440
bat because again i was thinking with a

3617
02:12:44,629 --> 02:12:42,560
you know with the part of the anatomy

3618
02:12:46,149 --> 02:12:44,639
that is not my brain um to be able to

3619
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:46,159
rationalize these things but the cat

3620
02:12:49,109 --> 02:12:47,599
knew

3621
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:49,119
snakes are kind of the same way they're

3622
02:12:52,069 --> 02:12:49,920
very

3623
02:12:53,109 --> 02:12:52,079
common docile as long as you don't [\h__\h]

3624
02:12:54,790 --> 02:12:53,119
with them they're not gonna [\h__\h] with

3625
02:12:56,069 --> 02:12:54,800
you and as long as you don't step on

3626
02:12:57,750 --> 02:12:56,079
them well rattlers are kind of way out

3627
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:57,760
there they're like the you can get into

3628
02:13:01,350 --> 02:12:59,360
those weird thought experiments in terms

3629
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,360
of how consciousness affects the fabric

3630
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:03,360
of reality so it's like the one of the

3631
02:13:07,270 --> 02:13:05,760
classic examples is you're standing in a

3632
02:13:08,550 --> 02:13:07,280
mall and you're looking at the back of

3633
02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:08,560
somebody's head

3634
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,480
and you're thinking about them and they

3635
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:12,639
with no notion like they're too far away

3636
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:14,239
for them to hear you they turn around

3637
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:15,679
and look right at you

3638
02:13:19,030 --> 02:13:17,440
it's like uh yeah

3639
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:19,040
that's more of a sixth sense thing but

3640
02:13:23,030 --> 02:13:22,159
i'm i'm trying to like be watched

3641
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:23,040
rupert

3642
02:13:26,069 --> 02:13:25,199
well that's the human analogy for this

3643
02:13:26,870 --> 02:13:26,079
cat

3644
02:13:28,629 --> 02:13:26,880
you know

3645
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:28,639
no like you'd mention rupert sheldrick

3646
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:30,560
on that like what did he have to say on

3647
02:13:34,470 --> 02:13:31,920
this matter

3648
02:13:37,109 --> 02:13:34,480
i do not i don't know all i know is that

3649
02:13:39,189 --> 02:13:37,119
he wrote a book or at least

3650
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:39,199
something with that title the feel the

3651
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:41,599
sense or feeling of being watched

3652
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:44,880
um and what he's yeah sheldrick is doing

3653
02:13:48,629 --> 02:13:46,400
a bunch of interesting

3654
02:13:50,229 --> 02:13:48,639
research grounding you know he's a

3655
02:13:51,990 --> 02:13:50,239
scientist he's a legitimate scientist

3656
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:52,000
but he's exploring

3657
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:53,920
these kind of gray areas which most

3658
02:13:57,270 --> 02:13:55,360
scientists

3659
02:13:58,629 --> 02:13:57,280
don't like to acknowledge like the other

3660
02:14:01,990 --> 02:13:58,639
one is

3661
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:02,000
flocks of birds and they look at the

3662
02:14:05,910 --> 02:14:04,239
increment timings for the birds turning

3663
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,920
and flying in synchronicity with each

3664
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:07,520
other if there's some sort of like

3665
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:09,760
mind effect to them because

3666
02:14:13,669 --> 02:14:11,920
literally they'll turn

3667
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:13,679
you know timing increments

3668
02:14:17,589 --> 02:14:15,760
that are shorter than

3669
02:14:19,030 --> 02:14:17,599
what the consciousness of a bird should

3670
02:14:20,709 --> 02:14:19,040
be able to handle

3671
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:20,719
yeah yeah

3672
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:23,440
there's all these these phenomena um you

3673
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:24,880
know shadrach is good because he he

3674
02:14:29,350 --> 02:14:27,440
really hones in on those that show well

3675
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:29,360
there's there's there's more going on

3676
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:32,159
than quantitative science likes to

3677
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:34,560
ignore in the kind of like

3678
02:14:38,229 --> 02:14:36,000
materialistic

3679
02:14:40,229 --> 02:14:38,239
kind of model that most

3680
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:40,239
scientists adhere to yeah he's he's

3681
02:14:45,109 --> 02:14:42,719
still pushing the envelope like a form

3682
02:14:47,109 --> 02:14:45,119
or a hive mind kind of thing

3683
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:47,119
yeah there's stuff that goes beyond our

3684
02:14:51,189 --> 02:14:48,960
you know this idea that the

3685
02:14:54,149 --> 02:14:51,199
you know consciousness is just

3686
02:14:57,270 --> 02:14:54,159
there's like a meta consciousness

3687
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:57,280
yeah so i mean he's doing um he's i'm

3688
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:58,800
pretty sure he's in the magic the new

3689
02:15:02,470 --> 02:15:00,719
magical egypt

3690
02:15:04,390 --> 02:15:02,480
uh i know venice and chancellor have

3691
02:15:06,069 --> 02:15:04,400
been in contact with him

3692
02:15:07,669 --> 02:15:06,079
um

3693
02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:07,679
i said i could be wrong so you know

3694
02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:09,599
after a few whiskies you know some of

3695
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:10,400
the

3696
02:15:14,140 --> 02:15:13,119
details get a bit slippery but um oh

3697
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:14,150
trust me we don't

3698
02:15:17,750 --> 02:15:16,000
[Laughter]

3699
02:15:19,990 --> 02:15:17,760
but certainly he you know he's certainly

3700
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:20,000
been in dialogue with graham hancock and

3701
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:22,239
and like-minded people uh a good friend

3702
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:24,079
of mine gabriel roberts who is a kind of

3703
02:15:29,669 --> 02:15:26,400
a gnostic author

3704
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:29,679
um has you know hosted both

3705
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:32,239
rupert charles drake and

3706
02:15:36,310 --> 02:15:35,280
and graham hancock yeah over at joshua

3707
02:15:38,709 --> 02:15:36,320
tree in

3708
02:15:40,629 --> 02:15:38,719
in the united states and um so you know

3709
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:40,639
these kind of these

3710
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:43,599
lines of thought do come together um

3711
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:48,550
and

3712
02:15:52,709 --> 02:15:50,400
how do you feel like the the

3713
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:52,719
the like you're you've studied uh

3714
02:15:55,990 --> 02:15:53,760
egyptian

3715
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:56,000
religion for quite some time but like

3716
02:16:01,030 --> 02:15:58,159
egyptian religion is considered more of

3717
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:01,040
a philosophy on life and death and you

3718
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:03,360
know one's overall existence between the

3719
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:04,960
two planes it's it's not like you know

3720
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:06,960
death is the end of the journey it's the

3721
02:16:10,390 --> 02:16:09,040
start of another continuation of the

3722
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:10,400
overall journey it's just like a way

3723
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:11,679
station

3724
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:13,520
yeah how do we connect the dots between

3725
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:15,840
the netaru and the divine principles

3726
02:16:20,550 --> 02:16:19,599
that rule the universe and maybe alchemy

3727
02:16:21,750 --> 02:16:20,560
you must

3728
02:16:23,350 --> 02:16:21,760
i mean

3729
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:23,360
egyptian

3730
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:25,679
religious

3731
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:28,079
thought really was that the tomb is the

3732
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:30,880
womb you know it was a place of

3733
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:33,040
rebirth

3734
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:35,599
and that feeds into greek philosophy

3735
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:38,080
certainly socrates and plato

3736
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:40,639
who defined you know they literally

3737
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:43,920
define philosophy as

3738
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:50,469
you know if you're it's the whole death

3739
02:16:56,070 --> 02:16:53,920
of socrates is really about

3740
02:16:58,309 --> 02:16:56,080
learning to die before you die if you

3741
02:17:02,629 --> 02:16:58,319
know your soul is immortal which comes

3742
02:17:06,629 --> 02:17:04,629
your soul is immortal

3743
02:17:08,549 --> 02:17:06,639
you have then you have no need to fear

3744
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:08,559
death you can go to your desk like

3745
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:10,479
socrates did he could take the hemlock

3746
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:12,719
quite consciously

3747
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:16,880
uh and have no fear knowing that this

3748
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,719
world and this body was just a temporary

3749
02:17:24,549 --> 02:17:22,559
kind of epiphenomenon

3750
02:17:27,030 --> 02:17:24,559
but that the reality of the soul in the

3751
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:27,040
world of the soul was eternal and

3752
02:17:31,910 --> 02:17:29,599
immortal so and this this really goes

3753
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:31,920
back to the egyptian

3754
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:34,399
perception or or the whole egyptian

3755
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,679
attitude that

3756
02:17:39,589 --> 02:17:37,920
that the life here on earth was geared

3757
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:39,599
towards death

3758
02:17:43,429 --> 02:17:41,679
i mean egyptian civilization was you

3759
02:17:47,110 --> 02:17:43,439
know all our monuments everything that

3760
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:47,120
comes down to us was geared towards

3761
02:17:51,830 --> 02:17:50,080
the cult of death and immortality that's

3762
02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,840
a very important thing if you're if

3763
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:53,519
you're you know you need everybody to

3764
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:54,880
drink that kool-aid if you're going to

3765
02:17:58,070 --> 02:17:56,639
build a pyramid that takes hundreds of

3766
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:58,080
years

3767
02:18:01,910 --> 02:18:00,639
yeah yeah so you know but clearly really

3768
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:01,920
that you know

3769
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:04,399
i mean schwarz said this he said yeah

3770
02:18:10,150 --> 02:18:06,960
the average person lived in mud hearts

3771
02:18:12,230 --> 02:18:10,160
but they built temples and pyramids to

3772
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:12,240
eternity stone

3773
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:13,200
you know

3774
02:18:17,750 --> 02:18:15,280
that everything that comes down to us

3775
02:18:20,469 --> 02:18:17,760
today from egypt is made of stone and

3776
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,479
that that's dedicated to eternity

3777
02:18:24,629 --> 02:18:22,399
the common day-to-day life was made of

3778
02:18:27,750 --> 02:18:24,639
mud brick and you know that that that

3779
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:27,760
comes and goes just like our bodies do

3780
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:29,439
so there was a definite emphasis in

3781
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:32,479
egyptian civilization on

3782
02:18:35,830 --> 02:18:35,040
um

3783
02:18:37,509 --> 02:18:35,840
you know

3784
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,519
gearing towards

3785
02:18:43,910 --> 02:18:39,120
death

3786
02:18:45,750 --> 02:18:43,920
as a path of or a gate to eternity

3787
02:18:47,910 --> 02:18:45,760
um

3788
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:47,920
and i think that's

3789
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:50,319
you know that that's really that

3790
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:53,760
distinctly feeds into

3791
02:18:58,309 --> 02:18:56,240
you know the the the ground that greek

3792
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,319
philosophy or at least some of the major

3793
02:19:02,230 --> 02:19:00,880
greek philosophers grew out of

3794
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:02,240
because they were saying the same things

3795
02:19:04,790 --> 02:19:03,439
but it's more

3796
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:04,800
intellectual and

3797
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:06,719
instead of saying in in mythological

3798
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,160
form that they articulated it in a

3799
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:12,240
in an intellectual form

3800
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:14,880
and even like that type of view of like

3801
02:19:18,309 --> 02:19:16,319
preparing you how to die like that

3802
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:18,319
that's that's a very masonic

3803
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:20,719
uh style of looking at life as it were

3804
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:23,120
like you know i i can go not going too

3805
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:25,040
far into it um

3806
02:19:29,349 --> 02:19:25,760
we're

3807
02:19:31,509 --> 02:19:29,359
taught that similarity within our third

3808
02:19:32,309 --> 02:19:31,519
uh you know within our third degree

3809
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:32,319
of

3810
02:19:36,070 --> 02:19:34,080
like life is a cycle like you know the

3811
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:36,080
the first degree is is your birth the

3812
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:38,000
second degree is your life and the third

3813
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,120
degree is your death and you're supposed

3814
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:41,439
to be able to to realize that that it's

3815
02:19:45,270 --> 02:19:42,719
not about

3816
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:45,280
that you're gonna be born or that you're

3817
02:19:48,710 --> 02:19:46,639
gonna die but it's what you do while

3818
02:19:50,950 --> 02:19:48,720
you're actually here that matters

3819
02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:50,960
and it's the ability to kind of leave

3820
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:52,399
things on on a good note like you've got

3821
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:53,520
a choice to

3822
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,080
either uh leave a good legacy or a

3823
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:58,080
shitty legacy you you actually have the

3824
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:00,960
the ability to again alchemically change

3825
02:20:04,309 --> 02:20:02,960
your own surroundings based on your own

3826
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,319
actions and based on your own thought

3827
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:06,720
patterns and your your own you know you

3828
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:09,680
could you change your moral code to

3829
02:20:13,429 --> 02:20:10,880
uh

3830
02:20:14,870 --> 02:20:13,439
alter the perceptions of the world

3831
02:20:16,630 --> 02:20:14,880
around you so that you can be a better

3832
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,640
person and then from that you being a

3833
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,479
better person you then change your

3834
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:20,720
reality you change you manifest

3835
02:20:26,309 --> 02:20:23,680
something that is more wholesome more

3836
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:26,319
real more enjoyable for yourself your

3837
02:20:31,270 --> 02:20:29,120
family your friends and and you know the

3838
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:31,280
idea of the the afterlife and how your

3839
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:32,640
soul is whether to gain still you're

3840
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:34,080
like you're actually whether against a

3841
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:36,960
feather and if or your heart is rather

3842
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:39,439
and if the the heart is heavier than the

3843
02:20:42,550 --> 02:20:40,720
feather then you basically you're

3844
02:20:45,270 --> 02:20:42,560
devoured if the feather is heavier then

3845
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:45,280
you're fine those same principles are

3846
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:46,560
principles that's why you need to eat

3847
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:48,800
all that monoatomic gold so that it

3848
02:20:53,510 --> 02:20:51,040
defines gravity oh the monoatomic gold

3849
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,520
is [\h__\h] you know that

3850
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:54,640
we're gonna we're gonna put it to the

3851
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:55,600
test

3852
02:20:59,670 --> 02:20:57,680
we're gonna get a small lab

3853
02:21:01,190 --> 02:20:59,680
now there's that's an interesting point

3854
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:01,200
right there that

3855
02:21:05,910 --> 02:21:04,000
for the egyptians the the soul or the

3856
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,920
seat of consciousness wasn't the head it

3857
02:21:09,590 --> 02:21:07,760
wasn't the brain like we we currently

3858
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:09,600
think it was the heart

3859
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:11,200
and that that's true of the ancient

3860
02:21:15,190 --> 02:21:12,880
world in general

3861
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:15,200
but by the greek by greek times there

3862
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:17,200
were there's actually

3863
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:18,640
um

3864
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:19,840
we forget we have this amazing

3865
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:23,040
electromagnetic ticker inside of us

3866
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:25,359
yeah there's actually like um debates in

3867
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:27,200
the in the greek world where they would

3868
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:28,720
at the point where they were arguing

3869
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:29,600
whether

3870
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,359
the brain or the head

3871
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:33,920
or the heart was the they could they

3872
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:36,240
called it the hegenomicon the ruling

3873
02:21:39,190 --> 02:21:37,439
center

3874
02:21:41,670 --> 02:21:39,200
you know so

3875
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:41,680
in the more mythological cultures

3876
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:43,680
it was always the heart

3877
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:45,280
and by the by the

3878
02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:47,280
but by philosoph the greek philosophical

3879
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:48,960
times it was the head but there was a

3880
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,240
there was a period where they were kind

3881
02:21:55,110 --> 02:21:52,800
of debating it but what that suggests is

3882
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:55,120
that and this is where the my work with

3883
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:56,880
john gebbs of the the german cultural

3884
02:22:00,070 --> 02:21:58,080
placement

3885
02:22:01,270 --> 02:22:00,080
he shows how there was a shift in

3886
02:22:03,750 --> 02:22:01,280
consciousness

3887
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:03,760
moving from the heart to the head from

3888
02:22:07,110 --> 02:22:06,399
mythological understandings of reality

3889
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:07,120
to

3890
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:09,200
rational intellectual understandings of

3891
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,359
reality and that coincides with this

3892
02:22:15,670 --> 02:22:13,439
yeah there's this broad shift from a

3893
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:15,680
heart-centered

3894
02:22:19,270 --> 02:22:17,120
view of reality

3895
02:22:20,550 --> 02:22:19,280
to a head or intellectual sense of view

3896
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:20,560
of reality

3897
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,680
um and

3898
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:23,040
he took it back even deeper he said

3899
02:22:27,270 --> 02:22:25,359
there's a more visceral

3900
02:22:29,030 --> 02:22:27,280
gut-centered

3901
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:29,040
uh view of reality that goes back even

3902
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:30,880
deeper um but

3903
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:33,200
what's interesting yeah uh so so the

3904
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:35,040
evolution of consciousness or the seat

3905
02:22:39,830 --> 02:22:37,280
of consciousness

3906
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:39,840
is kind of like a collective kundalini

3907
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:41,680
a collective kundalini experience where

3908
02:22:46,389 --> 02:22:44,000
it raises from the lower

3909
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:46,399
viscera or centers

3910
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:48,640
to the heart to the to the head and

3911
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:51,200
ultimately out the crown

3912
02:22:55,590 --> 02:22:53,280
that seems to be the trajectory that

3913
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:55,600
that this is pointing towards

3914
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:56,640
um

3915
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:57,600
but

3916
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:58,800
all you know

3917
02:23:03,590 --> 02:23:00,800
did really the idea is that we have this

3918
02:23:04,950 --> 02:23:03,600
axis of being this our you know our

3919
02:23:07,910 --> 02:23:04,960
center is not

3920
02:23:10,550 --> 02:23:07,920
one point it's an axis

3921
02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:10,560
and we can you know if you do meditation

3922
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:12,240
or or all sorts of kind of there's all

3923
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:15,200
kind of practices which allow you to

3924
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:17,359
engage with your being

3925
02:23:23,349 --> 02:23:19,200
at different

3926
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:23,359
centers or points on the axis and uh

3927
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:25,600
and each each

3928
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:26,880
of those points will give you a

3929
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:29,439
different perspective on reality

3930
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:31,200
um but the point is that like it's

3931
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:33,760
really the whole it's the entire axis

3932
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:36,319
which is really the um

3933
02:23:42,630 --> 02:23:40,319
the modality of our of our full being

3934
02:23:43,990 --> 02:23:42,640
there's sort of a funny uh train of

3935
02:23:47,510 --> 02:23:44,000
thought that comes through like the alan

3936
02:23:48,630 --> 02:23:47,520
watts zen buddhism where

3937
02:23:50,070 --> 02:23:48,640
they talk a little bit about the you

3938
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:50,080
know the brain doesn't work without the

3939
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:51,520
heart the heart doesn't work without the

3940
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:54,399
brain really you can't separate them but

3941
02:23:57,270 --> 02:23:55,439
um

3942
02:23:59,590 --> 02:23:57,280
this funny notion that everything serves

3943
02:24:02,150 --> 02:23:59,600
the stomach

3944
02:24:04,550 --> 02:24:02,160
yeah like the egyptians you know

3945
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:04,560
considered magic which they thought the

3946
02:24:09,110 --> 02:24:06,960
egyptian word for magic was hecka

3947
02:24:10,389 --> 02:24:09,120
and they considered magic to originate

3948
02:24:11,110 --> 02:24:10,399
in

3949
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:11,120
the

3950
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:14,880
lower

3951
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:16,560
viscera

3952
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:17,840
um

3953
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:19,760
what's interesting and this is a point

3954
02:24:23,030 --> 02:24:21,200
of contention i have with a lot of

3955
02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:23,040
people

3956
02:24:26,469 --> 02:24:25,200
uh

3957
02:24:29,590 --> 02:24:26,479
it's a lot you've probably seen the

3958
02:24:31,190 --> 02:24:29,600
memes and and the web pages in the books

3959
02:24:33,190 --> 02:24:31,200
where people are

3960
02:24:35,349 --> 02:24:33,200
correlating

3961
02:24:37,750 --> 02:24:35,359
different aspects of the brand anatomy

3962
02:24:40,070 --> 02:24:37,760
with ancient egyptian symbols like the

3963
02:24:40,870 --> 02:24:40,080
eye of horus and all this other kind of

3964
02:24:43,190 --> 02:24:40,880
stuff

3965
02:24:46,070 --> 02:24:43,200
yeah um

3966
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:46,080
and the eye of raw and the uh yeah

3967
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:47,600
territory and pineal gland yeah people

3968
02:24:50,630 --> 02:24:49,200
are like saying uh egyptian instead of

3969
02:24:52,389 --> 02:24:50,640
this ancient knowledge of the brains

3970
02:24:54,830 --> 02:24:52,399
anatomy and

3971
02:24:56,710 --> 02:24:54,840
the symbol correlates to the you know

3972
02:24:58,630 --> 02:24:56,720
this and that presumably they cracked a

3973
02:24:59,990 --> 02:24:58,640
few skulls

3974
02:25:02,309 --> 02:25:00,000
well they died they actually did there

3975
02:25:03,590 --> 02:25:02,319
was treponation they did do

3976
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:03,600
they perform

3977
02:25:07,190 --> 02:25:06,080
medical operations on the skull and

3978
02:25:08,950 --> 02:25:07,200
brain

3979
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:08,960
but

3980
02:25:13,429 --> 02:25:11,120
what's interesting to me is that because

3981
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,439
for the egyptians

3982
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:16,240
the center of consciousness or the soul

3983
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:19,280
was the heart it was not the head or the

3984
02:25:23,349 --> 02:25:20,960
brain

3985
02:25:26,230 --> 02:25:23,359
and we know that you know when

3986
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:26,240
we notice from them from the uh mortuary

3987
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:28,399
practices the the process of

3988
02:25:33,190 --> 02:25:30,800
multiplication every

3989
02:25:36,950 --> 02:25:33,200
almost everyone knows that they they

3990
02:25:42,389 --> 02:25:40,309
the brain was not regarded as essential

3991
02:25:44,710 --> 02:25:42,399
well the brain's just the processor

3992
02:25:46,230 --> 02:25:44,720
the heart's the actual hard drive

3993
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:46,240
yeah they preserved all you know the

3994
02:25:48,710 --> 02:25:47,840
major organs of the body including the

3995
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:48,720
heart

3996
02:25:53,349 --> 02:25:50,880
but they extracted and threw out the

3997
02:25:56,150 --> 02:25:53,359
brain so what does that tell you about

3998
02:25:58,150 --> 02:25:56,160
the egyptian's view of human anatomy and

3999
02:25:59,910 --> 02:25:58,160
the role of the brain in consciousness

4000
02:26:01,830 --> 02:25:59,920
that the brain was the the process or

4001
02:26:03,190 --> 02:26:01,840
the heart was the actual hard drive it's

4002
02:26:04,630 --> 02:26:03,200
the same when people get heart

4003
02:26:07,429 --> 02:26:04,640
transplants i think you have that

4004
02:26:08,870 --> 02:26:07,439
backwards but no no no no that's the

4005
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:08,880
hard drive the the process the

4006
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:12,080
importance not in the function

4007
02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:14,640
i put this uh i put this this issue to

4008
02:26:20,389 --> 02:26:17,520
john anthony west um we was part of our

4009
02:26:22,230 --> 02:26:20,399
interviews for mental egypt i put this

4010
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:22,240
at john anthony west he actually gave me

4011
02:26:25,830 --> 02:26:24,000
a good response he said

4012
02:26:27,750 --> 02:26:25,840
because you know a lot of some of the

4013
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:27,760
material we're working with with in the

4014
02:26:32,870 --> 02:26:30,479
new magical egypt goes deeply into

4015
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:32,880
the brain anatomy and the symbolism and

4016
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:36,240
the form the actual form of it and the

4017
02:26:40,870 --> 02:26:39,520
relationship those forms to other things

4018
02:26:43,110 --> 02:26:40,880
and there's this deep kind of wisdom

4019
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:43,120
encoded in the forms of the brain

4020
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:44,560
structure itself

4021
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:46,399
which seems very compelling

4022
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,399
but i was always like well

4023
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:50,399
the egyptians threw that [\h__\h] out and

4024
02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:52,080
they didn't give a [\h__\h] about it what

4025
02:26:54,870 --> 02:26:53,280
how does that

4026
02:26:56,870 --> 02:26:54,880
you know tally up

4027
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:56,880
but so i put this to john anthony west

4028
02:27:03,510 --> 02:27:00,160
and he made a good point he said

4029
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:03,520
uh he said that in in the embodied world

4030
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:05,600
it's the world of duality so we need we

4031
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:08,479
need the brain which is a dualized organ

4032
02:27:12,309 --> 02:27:10,800
yeah it's two hemispheres split down the

4033
02:27:14,830 --> 02:27:12,319
middle

4034
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:14,840
so he said yeah that's necessary for

4035
02:27:19,990 --> 02:27:18,000
embodied dualistic existence but once we

4036
02:27:21,590 --> 02:27:20,000
die and transcend that then we don't

4037
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,600
need that anymore

4038
02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:23,200
and to me that it's like okay that

4039
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:25,600
that's a good insight that works for me

4040
02:27:28,389 --> 02:27:26,720
you know

4041
02:27:31,349 --> 02:27:28,399
not to say that

4042
02:27:33,750 --> 02:27:31,359
i i'm still divided um

4043
02:27:34,790 --> 02:27:33,760
unintended whether the the dualized

4044
02:27:37,510 --> 02:27:34,800
brain

4045
02:27:40,070 --> 02:27:37,520
um how many how many mummified hearts do

4046
02:27:44,389 --> 02:27:40,870
well

4047
02:27:47,270 --> 02:27:44,399
the egyptians put the organs in the in

4048
02:27:48,790 --> 02:27:47,280
the fires at five can open jars when

4049
02:27:50,710 --> 02:27:48,800
they when they're mummified they put

4050
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:50,720
they preserve the organs they just got

4051
02:27:54,870 --> 02:27:53,200
they extracted the brain from

4052
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:54,880
but then they had the heart amulet which

4053
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:58,000
was um worldwide all the museums how

4054
02:28:01,429 --> 02:28:00,240
many mummified hearts any wild

4055
02:28:03,670 --> 02:28:01,439
speculations

4056
02:28:04,870 --> 02:28:03,680
we have no idea a dozen

4057
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:04,880
100

4058
02:28:08,070 --> 02:28:06,000
so

4059
02:28:10,070 --> 02:28:08,080
the the idea that again i'm going to go

4060
02:28:12,710 --> 02:28:10,080
back with and

4061
02:28:14,950 --> 02:28:12,720
and uh ellen uh mentions that it cannot

4062
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:14,960
pick jars yes that that was the term for

4063
02:28:17,830 --> 02:28:16,560
them if i'm not mistaken

4064
02:28:18,870 --> 02:28:17,840
like the idea of the brain like the

4065
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:18,880
brain is good for us yes when you're

4066
02:28:22,389 --> 02:28:20,319
here in the physical plane if we are

4067
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:22,399
trying to run a physical body you need a

4068
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:23,760
processor to be able to actually

4069
02:28:27,910 --> 02:28:25,920
complete the functions and send signals

4070
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:27,920
to their the extremities that is what

4071
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:30,720
the brain is for in terms of the overall

4072
02:28:35,670 --> 02:28:33,280
um knowledge in terms of the you know

4073
02:28:37,590 --> 02:28:35,680
intuitiveness the connection the the

4074
02:28:40,790 --> 02:28:37,600
idea of the soul being connected to that

4075
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:40,800
heart muscle and the heart has tons of

4076
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:42,720
neurotransmitters in it it has

4077
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:44,479
tons of

4078
02:28:49,030 --> 02:28:46,640
nerves in it

4079
02:28:51,110 --> 02:28:49,040
you're talking about a one of the most

4080
02:28:52,950 --> 02:28:51,120
intricate and complex organs in the

4081
02:28:55,190 --> 02:28:52,960
entire body that is supposed to pump

4082
02:28:57,429 --> 02:28:55,200
blood at a specific rate in a specific

4083
02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:57,439
order for every single minute of every

4084
02:29:02,870 --> 02:28:59,040
single day of your life

4085
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:02,880
so it is one of the most highly evolved

4086
02:29:06,710 --> 02:29:04,479
organs we have

4087
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:06,720
and there are even stories of people who

4088
02:29:10,469 --> 02:29:08,640
have had heart transplants and they've

4089
02:29:12,150 --> 02:29:10,479
got memories from the other person you

4090
02:29:14,710 --> 02:29:12,160
know they've all of a sudden don't like

4091
02:29:17,190 --> 02:29:14,720
certain foods anymore like how how can

4092
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:17,200
how can a brain account for this that

4093
02:29:27,990 --> 02:29:18,960
all the brain is there is just people to

4094
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:29,590
you know we have the brain is a central

4095
02:29:32,710 --> 02:29:30,960
nervous system and it runs down our

4096
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:32,720
spine it's very important no one's

4097
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:34,800
denying that is

4098
02:29:39,910 --> 02:29:38,160
placed such a huge role the heart

4099
02:29:41,190 --> 02:29:39,920
and the um

4100
02:29:42,630 --> 02:29:41,200
the

4101
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:42,640
solar plexus and that holding that

4102
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:44,479
desert is a massive nervous system in

4103
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:46,319
the solar plexus but also that they've

4104
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:47,520
discovered

4105
02:29:51,429 --> 02:29:49,280
relatively you know

4106
02:29:53,429 --> 02:29:51,439
well in modern times at least

4107
02:29:56,230 --> 02:29:53,439
the enteric nervous system in the gut

4108
02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:56,240
you know so we have essentially we have

4109
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:58,560
three centers of of

4110
02:30:04,790 --> 02:30:01,439
of consciousness or being in our lower

4111
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:04,800
viscera in our heart and in our head

4112
02:30:10,870 --> 02:30:08,240
it's just almost like body soul and mind

4113
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:10,880
uh it's almost like

4114
02:30:15,110 --> 02:30:13,280
it correlates with the alternative

4115
02:30:16,950 --> 02:30:15,120
trinity of sulfur mercury and soul and

4116
02:30:19,910 --> 02:30:16,960
also the

4117
02:30:21,830 --> 02:30:19,920
jeffy an idea of

4118
02:30:24,630 --> 02:30:21,840
the fact that we are three brained

4119
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:24,640
beings with a center in our it's really

4120
02:30:28,150 --> 02:30:26,399
a simplification of

4121
02:30:32,550 --> 02:30:28,160
the chakra system you know we have this

4122
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:32,560
axis of being with where's up to seven

4123
02:30:38,389 --> 02:30:36,080
uh centers of energy but but really um

4124
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:38,399
we can we can

4125
02:30:42,790 --> 02:30:42,000
simplify or or extract the essence of

4126
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:42,800
this

4127
02:30:48,710 --> 02:30:46,720
down to three major centers and the

4128
02:30:51,590 --> 02:30:48,720
the heart and the head and the chinese

4129
02:30:53,270 --> 02:30:51,600
alchemist or energetic you know the

4130
02:30:54,710 --> 02:30:53,280
endowers

4131
02:30:57,190 --> 02:30:54,720
body work

4132
02:30:58,950 --> 02:30:57,200
they talk about three dante ends three

4133
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:58,960
three centers you know and they

4134
02:31:01,750 --> 02:31:00,720
correlate with these three parts of our

4135
02:31:03,030 --> 02:31:01,760
being

4136
02:31:05,510 --> 02:31:03,040
and we you know these are three parts

4137
02:31:08,230 --> 02:31:05,520
about being that we can't really ignore

4138
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:08,240
we can't ignore our gut instinct

4139
02:31:12,790 --> 02:31:10,479
we can't ignore our heart and soul we

4140
02:31:15,270 --> 02:31:12,800
can't ignore our rash rationality or our

4141
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:15,280
head or our intellect you know to be a

4142
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:18,560
whole being we have to integrate

4143
02:31:21,830 --> 02:31:20,800
these three

4144
02:31:23,990 --> 02:31:21,840
layers of

4145
02:31:26,469 --> 02:31:24,000
existence

4146
02:31:28,469 --> 02:31:26,479
and speaking of um heeding the call of

4147
02:31:30,309 --> 02:31:28,479
our deeper natures i do have to go to

4148
02:31:31,990 --> 02:31:30,319
the bathroom this whiskey is going right

4149
02:31:34,469 --> 02:31:32,000
through me so i have to go to the room

4150
02:31:35,590 --> 02:31:34,479
again i shall return

4151
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:35,600
um

4152
02:32:03,510 --> 02:31:36,560
very soon

4153
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:49,670
so

4154
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:58,950
uh

4155
02:33:02,150 --> 02:33:00,150
all right

4156
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:02,160
so

4157
02:33:14,389 --> 02:33:12,070
see that's where my you know i feel like

4158
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:14,399
moderate modern man is plagued with all

4159
02:33:18,710 --> 02:33:16,080
these different models from all over the

4160
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:18,720
globe and then it's yeah we can recite

4161
02:33:23,030 --> 02:33:20,160
them all but i feel like we're

4162
02:33:24,950 --> 02:33:23,040
confounded with trying to reconcile or

4163
02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:24,960
integrate them into like a grand unified

4164
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:27,920
theory so i have to shed some of them

4165
02:33:31,110 --> 02:33:29,920
keep some other elements it's a it's a

4166
02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:31,120
tricky

4167
02:33:36,630 --> 02:33:33,280
puzzle that's uh

4168
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:36,640
well how does modern man do that

4169
02:33:39,750 --> 02:33:38,399
except with each other

4170
02:33:42,230 --> 02:33:39,760
maybe

4171
02:33:44,469 --> 02:33:42,240
that's too big a question for one mind

4172
02:33:46,790 --> 02:33:44,479
this is the alchemy you have to extract

4173
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:46,800
the essence you know out of position

4174
02:33:52,389 --> 02:33:49,680
presented with multiplicity

4175
02:33:54,950 --> 02:33:52,399
uh a bewildering multiplicity you have

4176
02:33:58,630 --> 02:33:54,960
to extract the the unified essence you

4177
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:58,640
know what is what is the really the core

4178
02:34:04,710 --> 02:34:00,720
uh of that

4179
02:34:06,309 --> 02:34:04,720
of all of all of that you know um

4180
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:06,319
because otherwise they're pulled away

4181
02:34:09,590 --> 02:34:07,520
into

4182
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:09,600
confusion

4183
02:34:12,710 --> 02:34:10,880
and

4184
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:12,720
that's no fun

4185
02:34:17,190 --> 02:34:14,960
it could be i feel like most modern men

4186
02:34:18,469 --> 02:34:17,200
would be nauseated with cross-cultural

4187
02:34:21,750 --> 02:34:18,479
comparatives

4188
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:21,760
um it certainly takes something

4189
02:34:25,750 --> 02:34:23,840
there's a

4190
02:34:27,349 --> 02:34:25,760
it takes something out of you to do to

4191
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:27,359
like pop in and out of those different

4192
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:28,800
mental operating systems all the time

4193
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,359
you're sort of it's a lot of rebooting

4194
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:34,000
uh when you're searching cultures

4195
02:34:39,190 --> 02:34:35,280
and i think

4196
02:34:43,349 --> 02:34:41,750
it's a conundrum but we have that's what

4197
02:34:47,110 --> 02:34:43,359
we have to start feeling it out with our

4198
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:47,120
soul or our heart or our you know

4199
02:34:52,550 --> 02:34:48,960
that part of our being

4200
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,560
uh because that has an important

4201
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:54,960
you know when you're presented presented

4202
02:34:59,270 --> 02:34:56,319
with like

4203
02:35:01,990 --> 02:34:59,280
a whole range of options which

4204
02:35:04,469 --> 02:35:02,000
are rationally or logically fairly

4205
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:04,479
secure

4206
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:05,760
um

4207
02:35:08,150 --> 02:35:06,880
then you've got to

4208
02:35:10,870 --> 02:35:08,160
you've got to revert to your more

4209
02:35:15,670 --> 02:35:13,429
the intuitive level of decision you know

4210
02:35:19,670 --> 02:35:15,680
uh and that that's some that's more

4211
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:19,680
important than we give it credit for uh

4212
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:22,240
you know that level goes well that's

4213
02:35:27,030 --> 02:35:25,200
able to distinguish in a more subtle

4214
02:35:31,349 --> 02:35:27,040
or more qualitative

4215
02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:31,359
level than our rational intellects are

4216
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:33,120
and then even deeper there's this kind

4217
02:35:39,030 --> 02:35:37,600
of gut primordial instinct which is um

4218
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:39,040
it's not you know it's it's

4219
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:42,160
pre-conscious or it's it's not even like

4220
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:44,240
it's just it's another level entirely

4221
02:35:50,550 --> 02:35:45,040
you know

4222
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:50,560
evaluating reality with

4223
02:35:54,790 --> 02:35:52,319
all those levels of our being not just

4224
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:54,800
the mind not just the soul not just the

4225
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:56,399
gut instinct but

4226
02:36:00,870 --> 02:35:59,040
how do we synthesize synthesize those

4227
02:36:01,990 --> 02:36:00,880
into one

4228
02:36:05,110 --> 02:36:02,000
uh

4229
02:36:07,349 --> 02:36:05,120
perception of reality a few times in the

4230
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,359
podcast i've made mention of

4231
02:36:10,550 --> 02:36:09,040
there's something timothy leary and

4232
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:10,560
robert anton

4233
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:12,160
uh came up with

4234
02:36:15,349 --> 02:36:13,359
which was the eight circuits of

4235
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,359
consciousness and it's it's sort of

4236
02:36:19,670 --> 02:36:17,280
along the lines of you know you're

4237
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,680
shifting gears in a car so it's very

4238
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:21,680
difficult to walk through everyday life

4239
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:23,280
with transcendental consciousness

4240
02:36:27,750 --> 02:36:25,359
switched on it's you're eating you're

4241
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:27,760
driving um and you're trying to have

4242
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:29,520
like a buddhist you know

4243
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:31,439
transcendental consciousness state of

4244
02:36:35,910 --> 02:36:33,280
mind but it's the gear shifting for the

4245
02:36:37,590 --> 02:36:35,920
average man you know dropping down to

4246
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:37,600
work the nine to five but then trying to

4247
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:39,200
hit transcendental consciousness you

4248
02:36:42,469 --> 02:36:41,520
know sixth or eighth gear

4249
02:36:45,670 --> 02:36:42,479
uh and

4250
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:45,680
that there's this anguish and going back

4251
02:36:48,550 --> 02:36:47,359
and forth between those different states

4252
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:48,560
of consciousness where we're just

4253
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:50,960
grinding our gears because most people

4254
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,680
don't know how to work the clutch

4255
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:55,120
right right

4256
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:57,200
and i feel like that's the real trick of

4257
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:58,560
it because you don't want to be a monk

4258
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:00,960
stuck on a mountain constantly in sixth

4259
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:03,520
gear for transcendental meditation where

4260
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:04,880
you'll never get a whole lot

4261
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,880
accomplished in the physical world you

4262
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:08,640
will you'll go hungry

4263
02:37:11,910 --> 02:37:10,800
if you're only meditating all the time

4264
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:11,920
you don't want to be the guy who's

4265
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:14,160
constantly stuck in second gear and you

4266
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:15,840
never get to see

4267
02:37:19,670 --> 02:37:17,439
those other states of consciousness so

4268
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:19,680
it's you know one is not always better

4269
02:37:23,750 --> 02:37:22,080
than the other it's finding the ability

4270
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:23,760
to work that clutch that that really

4271
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:25,280
makes life yeah

4272
02:37:27,590 --> 02:37:26,399
and then you know that's that's when i

4273
02:37:29,349 --> 02:37:27,600
when i talk when i talk about

4274
02:37:31,590 --> 02:37:29,359
non-dualism that's kind of what i'm you

4275
02:37:33,590 --> 02:37:31,600
know in another way of saying it that's

4276
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:33,600
kind of what i'm getting at is that

4277
02:37:37,990 --> 02:37:35,600
we operate on more than one level of

4278
02:37:40,469 --> 02:37:38,000
being and we can't reduce it to either

4279
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:40,479
an either or mentality of like emotion

4280
02:37:45,510 --> 02:37:42,720
versus intellect or spirit versus matter

4281
02:37:47,270 --> 02:37:45,520
or or whatever kind of dualism

4282
02:37:49,270 --> 02:37:47,280
or reductive

4283
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:49,280
um formula that you know you might want

4284
02:37:52,710 --> 02:37:51,760
to throw at it it's like we're we are

4285
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:52,720
whole

4286
02:37:57,030 --> 02:37:54,000
we are we are

4287
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:57,040
we are whole beings and we need to exist

4288
02:38:02,389 --> 02:37:59,760
and expand into our totality

4289
02:38:03,670 --> 02:38:02,399
and that's really the task of gnosis you

4290
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:03,680
know

4291
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:04,960
to be

4292
02:38:10,309 --> 02:38:08,160
and going back to this idea that

4293
02:38:14,550 --> 02:38:10,319
cosmology and cosmogeny like the you can

4294
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:14,560
create a process the divine mind

4295
02:38:20,950 --> 02:38:17,439
generated the organs of articulation

4296
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:20,960
which evoked magically the body

4297
02:38:24,950 --> 02:38:23,359
which um you know it's its literal body

4298
02:38:26,309 --> 02:38:24,960
which divine the divine mind was

4299
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:26,319
embodied in

4300
02:38:30,309 --> 02:38:28,399
uh you know we are

4301
02:38:32,630 --> 02:38:30,319
all levels of reality from the from the

4302
02:38:35,349 --> 02:38:32,640
divine mind itself down to

4303
02:38:37,349 --> 02:38:35,359
the physical cosmos

4304
02:38:39,590 --> 02:38:37,359
and everything in between

4305
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:39,600
and that that's really our birthright

4306
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:42,640
and what we have to uh aspire to

4307
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:43,600
and

4308
02:38:48,230 --> 02:38:45,920
everything that limits us

4309
02:38:49,990 --> 02:38:48,240
you know we're conditioned to have all

4310
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:50,000
these limitations that

4311
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:51,840
that pull us back from

4312
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:53,439
from being

4313
02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:56,399
in our full totality and

4314
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:59,040
uh that to me is a process of initiation

4315
02:39:01,270 --> 02:39:00,240
or

4316
02:39:02,150 --> 02:39:01,280
uh

4317
02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:02,160
of

4318
02:39:06,950 --> 02:39:04,720
it's surpassed hypnosis returning back

4319
02:39:08,950 --> 02:39:06,960
of the fullness of our divine being is

4320
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:08,960
there anything in particular that you've

4321
02:39:13,110 --> 02:39:10,399
uh you've found interesting that your

4322
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:13,120
your mind is gnawing on lately like you

4323
02:39:20,309 --> 02:39:14,720
do you think falconelli actually did it

4324
02:39:24,790 --> 02:39:22,710
from alchemy

4325
02:39:26,230 --> 02:39:24,800
in the sense of the legendary focanelli

4326
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:26,240
where he was

4327
02:39:30,710 --> 02:39:27,680
this being

4328
02:39:32,389 --> 02:39:30,720
walking around physically in the world

4329
02:39:33,429 --> 02:39:32,399
you know well after did he find the

4330
02:39:35,990 --> 02:39:33,439
grand

4331
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:36,000
at all

4332
02:39:40,710 --> 02:39:38,479
i don't personally believe in these

4333
02:39:42,710 --> 02:39:40,720
these theories he was

4334
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:42,720
you know living well behind is beyond

4335
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:45,040
his mortal death and as some sort of

4336
02:39:49,750 --> 02:39:47,200
physical immortal being

4337
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:49,760
so and for me physical like physical

4338
02:39:54,630 --> 02:39:52,479
bodily immortality is never the answer

4339
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:54,640
it's it's a means to an end yes you can

4340
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:56,000
use

4341
02:40:00,070 --> 02:39:57,680
alchemical or

4342
02:40:02,070 --> 02:40:00,080
or any other means to extend

4343
02:40:05,349 --> 02:40:02,080
your physical life on earth

4344
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:05,359
but it's never for its own sake you know

4345
02:40:09,349 --> 02:40:07,600
that's that's a quantitative you're here

4346
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:09,359
to have an emotional experience not just

4347
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:12,560
to live forever well

4348
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:14,800
our physical bodies are

4349
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:18,240
our physical existence is a wound or or

4350
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:19,520
a matrix

4351
02:40:23,990 --> 02:40:21,760
for the gestation of our immortal bodies

4352
02:40:25,590 --> 02:40:24,000
which are ever present

4353
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:25,600
but we have to like michelangelo's

4354
02:40:30,309 --> 02:40:27,760
stature we statue we have to pull away

4355
02:40:33,270 --> 02:40:30,319
the extraneous parts to reveal the

4356
02:40:35,270 --> 02:40:33,280
primordial immortal nature

4357
02:40:37,110 --> 02:40:35,280
the the primordial perfection which

4358
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:37,120
exists underneath all the stone and

4359
02:40:39,349 --> 02:40:38,399
rubble

4360
02:40:41,349 --> 02:40:39,359
and

4361
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:41,359
creating an emotional

4362
02:40:44,870 --> 02:40:42,960
like a uh

4363
02:40:47,750 --> 02:40:44,880
creating a body that lives longer in a

4364
02:40:50,309 --> 02:40:47,760
physical sense on earth is fine

4365
02:40:53,349 --> 02:40:50,319
but it is not the end

4366
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:53,359
it it's just you're pre prolonging the

4367
02:40:57,510 --> 02:40:55,920
matrix or the wound

4368
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:57,520
in which you

4369
02:41:02,870 --> 02:40:59,760
which gives you that window

4370
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:02,880
develop the immortal body the chinese

4371
02:41:06,710 --> 02:41:05,040
alchemical texts

4372
02:41:09,190 --> 02:41:06,720
talk about

4373
02:41:10,950 --> 02:41:09,200
that they liken it to a golden cicada

4374
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:10,960
they say the golden cigar sheds its

4375
02:41:14,830 --> 02:41:12,080
shell

4376
02:41:17,110 --> 02:41:14,840
and then you have a body outside your

4377
02:41:19,510 --> 02:41:17,120
body and so what they mean is that

4378
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:19,520
there's yeah there's this immortal being

4379
02:41:22,950 --> 02:41:21,920
inside your mortal body

4380
02:41:25,110 --> 02:41:22,960
which

4381
02:41:27,110 --> 02:41:25,120
once you shed the mortal shell you're

4382
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:27,120
you already are you know the immortal

4383
02:41:31,670 --> 02:41:28,800
being is

4384
02:41:32,710 --> 02:41:31,680
always was and always it will be

4385
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:32,720
but

4386
02:41:37,590 --> 02:41:34,960
it takes that

4387
02:41:39,429 --> 02:41:37,600
it just takes an effort to break or

4388
02:41:41,030 --> 02:41:39,439
crack the shell

4389
02:41:43,270 --> 02:41:41,040
which separates

4390
02:41:47,349 --> 02:41:43,280
the immortal from the immortal it's like

4391
02:41:50,550 --> 02:41:49,110
lobsters shedding their shells and

4392
02:41:52,630 --> 02:41:50,560
they're you know they're forced to be

4393
02:41:54,550 --> 02:41:52,640
uncomfortable they're very vulnerable

4394
02:41:56,550 --> 02:41:54,560
and they go they become recluse when

4395
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:56,560
they're out of their shell

4396
02:42:04,630 --> 02:42:01,590
beings put themselves in isolation to

4397
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:04,640
sort of re-identify themselves it's a

4398
02:42:09,990 --> 02:42:06,960
natural pattern that we follow i i've

4399
02:42:13,110 --> 02:42:10,000
also heard it that uh

4400
02:42:14,309 --> 02:42:13,120
you know maturing is really sort of a

4401
02:42:16,070 --> 02:42:14,319
when you talk about the you know the

4402
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:16,080
soul having an emotional experience but

4403
02:42:21,429 --> 02:42:18,720
maturity is really the human being

4404
02:42:23,429 --> 02:42:21,439
learning to sequence its emotions

4405
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:23,439
so yeah you're depressed you know you

4406
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:24,960
get nowhere but if you're depressed and

4407
02:42:29,429 --> 02:42:27,680
you get angry then you get somewhere so

4408
02:42:31,830 --> 02:42:29,439
as you make sure you're

4409
02:42:33,110 --> 02:42:31,840
you're conscientiously

4410
02:42:35,270 --> 02:42:33,120
evoking

4411
02:42:36,870 --> 02:42:35,280
emotional sequencing and that's really

4412
02:42:39,429 --> 02:42:36,880
what maturity is

4413
02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:39,439
it's very much the symbolism of cancer

4414
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:40,479
in in

4415
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:42,880
in astrology you know a cancer is the

4416
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:45,520
the crab or the lobster

4417
02:42:48,870 --> 02:42:47,760
and it's the emotional being

4418
02:42:50,550 --> 02:42:48,880
which

4419
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,560
uh as you said it

4420
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:52,319
it's got an external it's got an

4421
02:42:56,790 --> 02:42:54,560
exoskeleton it

4422
02:42:59,110 --> 02:42:56,800
it creates this external

4423
02:43:01,510 --> 02:42:59,120
hard shell but inside it's soft and

4424
02:43:05,750 --> 02:43:01,520
vulnerable but when in order to grow it

4425
02:43:08,070 --> 02:43:05,760
has to shed the shell become vulnerable

4426
02:43:10,950 --> 02:43:08,080
and then then it can grow but but it's

4427
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:10,960
at its most uh exposed to that point so

4428
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:12,240
it has you know

4429
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:15,040
um i went through the experience of this

4430
02:43:20,630 --> 02:43:18,720
i was working with uh badriana

4431
02:43:23,270 --> 02:43:20,640
buddhist technique

4432
02:43:26,389 --> 02:43:23,280
i was doing an extended tara

4433
02:43:28,870 --> 02:43:26,399
um practice

4434
02:43:32,309 --> 02:43:28,880
accumulation of tara mantras and tara is

4435
02:43:34,469 --> 02:43:32,319
very much a feminine goddess about

4436
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:34,479
it's very emotional heart centered and

4437
02:43:38,870 --> 02:43:36,560
emotional centered and uh

4438
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:38,880
i had a lot of insights at the core of

4439
02:43:47,670 --> 02:43:40,800
that

4440
02:43:49,670 --> 02:43:47,680
we create these hard shells around us

4441
02:43:53,269 --> 02:43:49,680
but really where these

4442
02:43:54,790 --> 02:43:53,279
these soft quivering emotional beings

4443
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:54,800
who

4444
02:44:01,190 --> 02:43:57,200
can only grow when we shed our

4445
02:44:03,510 --> 02:44:01,200
armor we cast off our armor armor and

4446
02:44:05,190 --> 02:44:03,520
become vulnerable you know and that's

4447
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:05,200
that's a huge that was a huge lesson

4448
02:44:09,590 --> 02:44:06,720
because you know i'm a scholar i'm very

4449
02:44:11,830 --> 02:44:09,600
much an intellectual being

4450
02:44:13,750 --> 02:44:11,840
and a lot of my armor is intellectual

4451
02:44:15,590 --> 02:44:13,760
you know but when you shut that up you

4452
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:15,600
may shed all that and you can be just

4453
02:44:19,510 --> 02:44:18,160
come this quivering emotional mass then

4454
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:19,520
you can grow

4455
02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:22,479
and then yes you reform your armor and

4456
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:23,840
and all that but

4457
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:25,200
it's important you know you have to

4458
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:27,439
become vulnerable

4459
02:44:34,070 --> 02:44:29,359
in order to grow and that's that's the

4460
02:44:37,030 --> 02:44:34,080
lesson of the zodiacal sign of cancer or

4461
02:44:39,750 --> 02:44:37,040
we certainly have a form of that yeah

4462
02:44:41,670 --> 02:44:39,760
yeah yeah um it's definitely a thing it

4463
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:41,680
was certainly a a

4464
02:44:45,349 --> 02:44:42,720
major

4465
02:44:47,190 --> 02:44:45,359
lesson for me a couple of years ago

4466
02:44:49,030 --> 02:44:47,200
now just just as we're starting to like

4467
02:44:50,070 --> 02:44:49,040
get towards that uh you know as we're

4468
02:44:51,110 --> 02:44:50,080
getting towards the end of the glass

4469
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:51,120
we're getting towards the end of the

4470
02:44:53,030 --> 02:44:52,160
show

4471
02:44:54,630 --> 02:44:53,040
so

4472
02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:54,640
i i'd like to and i know that notice

4473
02:44:58,710 --> 02:44:57,120
that uh since i let my dog out who you

4474
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:58,720
can kind of see her off the shadows

4475
02:45:02,150 --> 02:45:00,880
probably for all you at home you've

4476
02:45:03,190 --> 02:45:02,160
taken your jacket off so i know that

4477
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:03,200
it's probably getting a little bit warm

4478
02:45:05,349 --> 02:45:04,319
out there

4479
02:45:07,269 --> 02:45:05,359
and

4480
02:45:09,190 --> 02:45:07,279
you know it's it's uh it's part of

4481
02:45:11,990 --> 02:45:09,200
living in a perpetually

4482
02:45:14,309 --> 02:45:12,000
nice climate i guess

4483
02:45:17,030 --> 02:45:14,319
oh it's called it doesn't get canadian

4484
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:17,040
cold but it gets cold enough but yeah

4485
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:18,640
get in yeah canadian cold anything under

4486
02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:20,640
zero degrees pretty well but even then

4487
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:23,760
yeah about minus five we wear shorts

4488
02:45:28,469 --> 02:45:26,960
yeah nothing like that but yeah yeah now

4489
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:28,479
for for those who want to be able to to

4490
02:45:33,269 --> 02:45:31,200
to start off in hermeticism and alchemy

4491
02:45:36,550 --> 02:45:33,279
where would you point people towards to

4492
02:45:36,560 --> 02:45:41,590
oh god that's a good question um

4493
02:45:46,710 --> 02:45:44,550
robert bartlett for the alchemy

4494
02:45:48,469 --> 02:45:46,720
well that's the practical outcome of our

4495
02:45:49,269 --> 02:45:48,479
practical alchemy

4496
02:45:51,269 --> 02:45:49,279
yeah

4497
02:45:53,110 --> 02:45:51,279
if you want to actually do a laboratory

4498
02:45:55,510 --> 02:45:53,120
physical

4499
02:45:57,990 --> 02:45:55,520
material alchemical processes robert

4500
02:45:59,670 --> 02:45:58,000
bartlett's books are definitely good i

4501
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:59,680
mean i studied it with robert bartlett

4502
02:46:03,590 --> 02:46:01,200
you know i've met robert a number of

4503
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:03,600
times and i've done his courses i

4504
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:05,920
definitely recommend his work

4505
02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:08,240
um

4506
02:46:11,349 --> 02:46:09,520
i would

4507
02:46:12,870 --> 02:46:11,359
you know

4508
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:12,880
um if you want

4509
02:46:17,750 --> 02:46:15,520
books that are entry points into alchemy

4510
02:46:20,790 --> 02:46:17,760
and hermetic philosophy

4511
02:46:25,910 --> 02:46:24,150
there's a couple i can mention there are

4512
02:46:27,830 --> 02:46:25,920
there was a book by titus burkhart

4513
02:46:29,349 --> 02:46:27,840
called alchemy

4514
02:46:29,830 --> 02:46:29,359
i think it's called

4515
02:46:32,710 --> 02:46:29,840
um

4516
02:46:34,790 --> 02:46:32,720
[Music]

4517
02:46:37,670 --> 02:46:34,800
science of the cosmos science of the

4518
02:46:39,110 --> 02:46:37,680
soul i think might be its subtitle

4519
02:46:41,830 --> 02:46:39,120
that's a that's a good general

4520
02:46:45,349 --> 02:46:41,840
introduction to the philosophy

4521
02:46:46,469 --> 02:46:45,359
and cosmology of alchemy hermeticism in

4522
02:46:48,710 --> 02:46:46,479
general

4523
02:46:51,750 --> 02:46:48,720
um more in terms of

4524
02:46:53,510 --> 02:46:51,760
operating principles on a kind of

4525
02:46:55,750 --> 02:46:53,520
universal sense

4526
02:46:59,269 --> 02:46:55,760
in a perennial sense

4527
02:47:04,389 --> 02:47:01,910
i really like julius cevalle's book the

4528
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:04,399
hermetic tradition which is

4529
02:47:08,790 --> 02:47:06,720
uh julius cevallo is a somewhat

4530
02:47:10,710 --> 02:47:08,800
controversial

4531
02:47:13,110 --> 02:47:10,720
traditionalist who

4532
02:47:14,710 --> 02:47:13,120
wrote a bunch of books

4533
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:14,720
but he his book called the hermetic

4534
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:16,399
tradition is is great it's it's a

4535
02:47:22,309 --> 02:47:19,120
fantastic book it's it's really

4536
02:47:23,190 --> 02:47:22,319
deep but it's focusing on the spiritual

4537
02:47:25,990 --> 02:47:23,200
and

4538
02:47:28,710 --> 02:47:26,000
ultimately the spiritual alchemy

4539
02:47:30,870 --> 02:47:28,720
um i've got a book myself called

4540
02:47:35,590 --> 02:47:30,880
alchemical traditions

4541
02:47:37,910 --> 02:47:35,600
which is like a 700 page sprawling opus

4542
02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:37,920
uh it's it's an anthology so it's like i

4543
02:47:43,349 --> 02:47:40,720
edited edited the book

4544
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:43,359
i brought on a bunch of scholars to

4545
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:45,040
write

4546
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:46,240
separate chapters on different

4547
02:47:51,590 --> 02:47:49,520
alchemical traditions and so i wrote

4548
02:47:54,230 --> 02:47:51,600
chapters on i wrote an introductory

4549
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:54,240
chapter and i wrote on egyptian alchemy

4550
02:47:59,110 --> 02:47:56,000
i wrote on chinese alchemy and i wrote

4551
02:48:04,469 --> 02:47:59,120
on i read a specific chapter on

4552
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:06,550
then i got specialists

4553
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:09,120
like david blood and white and

4554
02:48:13,510 --> 02:48:12,319
established scholars like jordan wyatt

4555
02:48:20,790 --> 02:48:13,520
kimbray

4556
02:48:25,190 --> 02:48:22,790
so it's kind of like a

4557
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:25,200
it's a big sprawling

4558
02:48:29,030 --> 02:48:27,520
anthology of the world's alchemical

4559
02:48:30,469 --> 02:48:29,040
traditions from the ancient to the

4560
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,479
modern world

4561
02:48:36,950 --> 02:48:32,960
so it's a dense beast you know it's it's

4562
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:36,960
a very it's a big falling dense

4563
02:48:40,630 --> 02:48:38,399
kind of hit

4564
02:48:41,990 --> 02:48:40,640
um one day i'm going to write a very

4565
02:48:44,790 --> 02:48:42,000
short

4566
02:48:47,830 --> 02:48:44,800
accessible book on alchemy but that's

4567
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:47,840
not out there yet but um

4568
02:48:51,830 --> 02:48:49,840
on a personal level the book i've just

4569
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:51,840
released sounds like a compendium of

4570
02:48:55,269 --> 02:48:53,359
alchemy

4571
02:48:57,670 --> 02:48:55,279
yeah it's more a compendium that you'll

4572
02:48:58,950 --> 02:48:57,680
you have and you'll you'll refer back to

4573
02:49:02,790 --> 02:48:58,960
the the book i've just released is

4574
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:02,800
called the leaf of immortality

4575
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:06,000
and that book is a

4576
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:08,479
it's more i mean the the core of this

4577
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:11,600
book goes back 10 years to when i had

4578
02:49:14,630 --> 02:49:13,120
some

4579
02:49:15,590 --> 02:49:14,640
major experience

4580
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:15,600
uh

4581
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:17,680
crucial experiences on antheans or

4582
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:19,920
psychedelics which

4583
02:49:23,510 --> 02:49:21,359
um

4584
02:49:25,750 --> 02:49:23,520
a lot of you know basically the primo

4585
02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:25,760
says i i you know i'm a scholar i

4586
02:49:29,590 --> 02:49:28,319
studied esotericism and philosophy and

4587
02:49:31,269 --> 02:49:29,600
religious studies and comparative

4588
02:49:33,590 --> 02:49:31,279
religion for like

4589
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:33,600
10 years or more and then i took heroic

4590
02:49:40,230 --> 02:49:34,800
doses

4591
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:40,240
mushrooms and then later ayahuasca

4592
02:49:45,269 --> 02:49:43,040
heroic and all all this learning came

4593
02:49:48,469 --> 02:49:45,279
alive

4594
02:49:50,550 --> 02:49:48,479
and the experience i had of that uh is

4595
02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:50,560
channeled into this book this book is

4596
02:49:54,630 --> 02:49:52,640
kind of the experience what what happens

4597
02:49:57,910 --> 02:49:54,640
when you study the stuff that like a

4598
02:49:59,030 --> 02:49:57,920
decade or more and take heroic doses of

4599
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:59,040
of uh

4600
02:50:04,550 --> 02:50:01,279
mushrooms or ayahuasca

4601
02:50:06,230 --> 02:50:04,560
then the the dried riverbeds of academia

4602
02:50:08,630 --> 02:50:06,240
just just get flooded

4603
02:50:09,830 --> 02:50:08,640
and become alive and living

4604
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:09,840
um

4605
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:11,520
so it's a short book it's you know it's

4606
02:50:15,670 --> 02:50:12,960
not a it's not a

4607
02:50:18,469 --> 02:50:15,680
sprawling exegesis like my alchemy book

4608
02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:18,479
but it's a um

4609
02:50:23,429 --> 02:50:21,520
it's much more personal and much more

4610
02:50:25,110 --> 02:50:23,439
coming from the heart and my personal

4611
02:50:27,030 --> 02:50:25,120
experience rather you know then rather

4612
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:27,040
than me as an academic

4613
02:50:30,150 --> 02:50:28,640
which um

4614
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:30,160
and they're both two parts of my being

4615
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:32,399
so you know my academic side does feed

4616
02:50:35,190 --> 02:50:34,319
into this book to some degree but it's

4617
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:35,200
not

4618
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:38,240
the core or center of gravity

4619
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:42,550
but yeah so that's you know there are

4620
02:50:46,150 --> 02:50:44,720
two books i've put out

4621
02:50:48,150 --> 02:50:46,160
uh which

4622
02:50:50,389 --> 02:50:48,160
if you want to explore

4623
02:50:53,670 --> 02:50:50,399
alchemy in its academic sense

4624
02:50:55,349 --> 02:50:53,680
or alchemy in its experiential sense

4625
02:50:57,269 --> 02:50:55,359
because very much but you know the core

4626
02:51:01,750 --> 02:50:57,279
message of this book is about

4627
02:51:05,110 --> 02:51:03,190
and alchemy is always traditionally

4628
02:51:06,550 --> 02:51:05,120
about taking metals like mercury which

4629
02:51:07,990 --> 02:51:06,560
are poisonous and turning them into

4630
02:51:10,950 --> 02:51:08,000
medicines

4631
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:10,960
which can make you immortal

4632
02:51:14,389 --> 02:51:13,359
so i don't explore that

4633
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:14,399
in a

4634
02:51:20,630 --> 02:51:18,720
sense of like how do you take

4635
02:51:23,429 --> 02:51:20,640
the things in the in reality in the

4636
02:51:25,030 --> 02:51:23,439
world as you experience it

4637
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:25,040
how do you take the things that are

4638
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:26,880
poisons or things that want to kill you

4639
02:51:31,269 --> 02:51:28,880
kill you or you know things that are

4640
02:51:33,349 --> 02:51:31,279
inimical to you how do you take these

4641
02:51:34,870 --> 02:51:33,359
negative things and turn them into

4642
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:34,880
medicines

4643
02:51:38,389 --> 02:51:35,760
and

4644
02:51:40,710 --> 02:51:38,399
vehicles of liberation haven't they made

4645
02:51:42,790 --> 02:51:40,720
literal like transmutation of elements

4646
02:51:45,190 --> 02:51:42,800
where they would take liquid mercury and

4647
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:45,200
they put it in a nuclear reactor and

4648
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,800
they i believe what is it they hit it

4649
02:51:52,070 --> 02:51:49,040
with neutrinos or something until it it

4650
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:52,080
ends up with an extra

4651
02:51:56,230 --> 02:51:53,520
they have yeah

4652
02:51:58,710 --> 02:51:56,240
it turns into gold literally

4653
02:52:01,269 --> 02:51:58,720
yeah that's a radioactive gold

4654
02:52:04,630 --> 02:52:01,279
uh

4655
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:04,640
chemical elements and gotten

4656
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:05,840
like actual

4657
02:52:10,630 --> 02:52:08,399
you know elemental gold yeah i mean this

4658
02:52:12,790 --> 02:52:10,640
is possible and they've found

4659
02:52:15,429 --> 02:52:12,800
giant pools of liquid mercury under some

4660
02:52:17,110 --> 02:52:15,439
of the mexican pyramids

4661
02:52:18,469 --> 02:52:17,120
right but they had i think they have

4662
02:52:21,030 --> 02:52:18,479
proven that

4663
02:52:22,710 --> 02:52:21,040
this this elemental transmutation is

4664
02:52:26,150 --> 02:52:22,720
possible

4665
02:52:27,429 --> 02:52:26,160
and the irony is that it takes so much

4666
02:52:29,670 --> 02:52:27,439
money to

4667
02:52:31,750 --> 02:52:29,680
technology and energy to to make this

4668
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:31,760
this happen that it's it's

4669
02:52:38,550 --> 02:52:33,520
the the

4670
02:52:40,950 --> 02:52:38,560
reward is negligible you know it's it's

4671
02:52:44,389 --> 02:52:40,960
not even it's not about

4672
02:52:46,550 --> 02:52:44,399
gaining gold in its financial sense

4673
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:46,560
legacy is the ultimate currency that's

4674
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:48,960
my that's my part of the day

4675
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:50,800
so in a world where

4676
02:52:56,230 --> 02:52:53,680
money is not fiat currency you see water

4677
02:52:58,550 --> 02:52:56,240
seawater has gold in it you know sea

4678
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:58,560
water has gold in it and we've done that

4679
02:53:03,269 --> 02:53:00,080
for a long time

4680
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:03,279
but extracting that gold that minute at

4681
02:53:09,670 --> 02:53:06,000
the minute our amount of gold in

4682
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:09,680
seawater costs so much that

4683
02:53:13,750 --> 02:53:11,359
the gold you gain

4684
02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:13,760
does not amount you know this doesn't

4685
02:53:18,550 --> 02:53:15,680
cover your costs yeah they're trying to

4686
02:53:20,630 --> 02:53:18,560
extract uraniums and plutoniums through

4687
02:53:22,309 --> 02:53:20,640
some sort of crazy filtration process on

4688
02:53:23,990 --> 02:53:22,319
ocean water too now

4689
02:53:26,469 --> 02:53:24,000
yeah yeah you know

4690
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:26,479
these transmutations or extractions are

4691
02:53:29,910 --> 02:53:28,240
possible

4692
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:29,920
but it kind of pushes you to the limit

4693
02:53:32,710 --> 02:53:31,840
where you get well hold on hold on hold

4694
02:53:34,950 --> 02:53:32,720
on

4695
02:53:38,150 --> 02:53:34,960
is is this really what i am

4696
02:53:40,150 --> 02:53:38,160
aiming for am i am i do i really want to

4697
02:53:42,710 --> 02:53:40,160
give my heart and soul

4698
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:42,720
to get for material gain

4699
02:53:48,870 --> 02:53:45,359
to to realize that wait a minute the

4700
02:53:50,830 --> 02:53:48,880
material gain is actually not that much

4701
02:53:55,030 --> 02:53:50,840
it's kind of a metaphor for

4702
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:55,040
life most impressive sacrifice of your

4703
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:57,760
physical existence and your soul exit

4704
02:54:02,469 --> 02:53:59,359
for

4705
02:54:06,790 --> 02:54:04,950
and you that that's that's it like

4706
02:54:09,510 --> 02:54:06,800
that's that's kind of the whole point of

4707
02:54:10,870 --> 02:54:09,520
it um yeah wow

4708
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:10,880
uh before before you go i just wanted

4709
02:54:14,230 --> 02:54:12,479
like because i know that when when we

4710
02:54:15,670 --> 02:54:14,240
started the show we had some sound

4711
02:54:16,630 --> 02:54:15,680
issues

4712
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:16,640
and

4713
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:19,040
my great intro that i've been practicing

4714
02:54:23,269 --> 02:54:21,279
all day got lost so i want to give a

4715
02:54:26,550 --> 02:54:23,279
special shout out i know they're still

4716
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:26,560
in the chat um michael hess uh as well

4717
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,399
as ella mccurdy they recently

4718
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:30,560
contributed to the show uh if you like

4719
02:54:33,990 --> 02:54:32,160
what we do every single week we want to

4720
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:34,000
be able to do more of these and things

4721
02:54:38,150 --> 02:54:36,479
like servers and internet connections

4722
02:54:39,990 --> 02:54:38,160
and you know new equipments and new

4723
02:54:42,790 --> 02:54:40,000
webcams as we've got up here we just

4724
02:54:44,870 --> 02:54:42,800
upgraded our webcam to get more of a a

4725
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:44,880
beautiful view because big sexy alex can

4726
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:46,080
only fit into so much we've got a

4727
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:49,120
picture in picture now exactly so if you

4728
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:50,960
want to be able to see more go to den of

4729
02:54:55,190 --> 02:54:53,600
lore dot com click on support the show

4730
02:54:56,710 --> 02:54:55,200
send us one dollar

4731
02:54:58,790 --> 02:54:56,720
or if you want to give more give more

4732
02:55:00,309 --> 02:54:58,800
but you know what

4733
02:55:01,990 --> 02:55:00,319
we paid this out of our pocket we're

4734
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:02,000
trying to stay ad and sponsor free

4735
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:04,080
because well most sponsors i know of

4736
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:05,359
will not allow us to be able to drink

4737
02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:08,080
swear and smoke on camera

4738
02:55:11,510 --> 02:55:09,840
and we want to be able to continue to

4739
02:55:13,830 --> 02:55:11,520
say whatever the hell we want and bring

4740
02:55:17,110 --> 02:55:13,840
on awesome guests like aaron here to

4741
02:55:19,269 --> 02:55:17,120
talk about some crazy crazy awesome [\h__\h]

4742
02:55:20,950 --> 02:55:19,279
and teach us about things that we could

4743
02:55:21,830 --> 02:55:20,960
never eat never even possibly think

4744
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:21,840
about

4745
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:23,279
and

4746
02:55:27,670 --> 02:55:26,319
to be able to do these shows so we've

4747
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,680
got listeners who are out there who

4748
02:55:30,950 --> 02:55:29,439
support us and who love us and want to

4749
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:30,960
keep keep supporting us we want to be

4750
02:55:35,349 --> 02:55:33,359
able to recognize those people uh doug

4751
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:35,359
who was actually guest last night signed

4752
02:55:40,469 --> 02:55:38,080
to our patreon to patreon.com forward

4753
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:40,479
slash den of lore and signed up for the

4754
02:55:44,389 --> 02:55:42,319
five dollar a month package because he

4755
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:44,399
loves us so much and wants to see what

4756
02:55:48,389 --> 02:55:46,319
we do continue on

4757
02:55:50,070 --> 02:55:48,399
and you know like from from the

4758
02:55:51,510 --> 02:55:50,080
contributions we have received over the

4759
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:51,520
last two weeks

4760
02:55:55,269 --> 02:55:54,080
our internet is paid for thankfully

4761
02:55:57,830 --> 02:55:55,279
uh so

4762
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:57,840
we are good to go for the next month and

4763
02:56:02,630 --> 02:55:59,760
thank you all for making the show a

4764
02:56:04,230 --> 02:56:02,640
possibility and for making it worth

4765
02:56:06,150 --> 02:56:04,240
worth doing because

4766
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:06,160
uh when i interact in the chat when

4767
02:56:11,590 --> 02:56:07,760
interact on facebook when i interact

4768
02:56:14,309 --> 02:56:11,600
with you all on twitter it makes me so

4769
02:56:15,429 --> 02:56:14,319
warm and gooey inside to know that we

4770
02:56:17,429 --> 02:56:15,439
have reached

4771
02:56:18,550 --> 02:56:17,439
all these people keep logging into chat

4772
02:56:20,469 --> 02:56:18,560
let us know

4773
02:56:21,990 --> 02:56:20,479
what kind of topics you guys want to see

4774
02:56:24,469 --> 02:56:22,000
coming up on the podcast in the near

4775
02:56:27,429 --> 02:56:24,479
future yeah i i like what you guys are

4776
02:56:28,230 --> 02:56:27,439
doing because i'm an academic you know

4777
02:56:29,349 --> 02:56:28,240
and

4778
02:56:33,830 --> 02:56:29,359
my

4779
02:56:35,590 --> 02:56:33,840
textual and

4780
02:56:38,950 --> 02:56:35,600
linguistic you know

4781
02:56:41,750 --> 02:56:39,830
and

4782
02:56:43,830 --> 02:56:41,760
the thing is a lot of people

4783
02:56:47,190 --> 02:56:43,840
not everyone reads books a lot of people

4784
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:47,200
like the audio the audio

4785
02:56:57,429 --> 02:56:55,110
yeah from even like uh with the audio

4786
02:56:59,429 --> 02:56:57,439
books and stuff you know like

4787
02:57:02,389 --> 02:56:59,439
i don't know it's just it's a it's it's

4788
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:02,399
a more it's a more sensory it's it's you

4789
02:57:06,309 --> 02:57:04,560
can hear it you know it's a and and to

4790
02:57:08,389 --> 02:57:06,319
some degree depending on

4791
02:57:09,590 --> 02:57:08,399
if the the video is coming through you

4792
02:57:12,389 --> 02:57:09,600
can see it

4793
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:12,399
i think that's a huge

4794
02:57:17,510 --> 02:57:15,279
uh it opens the domain

4795
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:17,520
to such a degree like to to people that

4796
02:57:22,309 --> 02:57:19,520
might not ordinarily

4797
02:57:25,590 --> 02:57:22,319
pick up you know scholarship on egyptian

4798
02:57:28,630 --> 02:57:25,600
cosmology or or stuff that i might write

4799
02:57:30,150 --> 02:57:28,640
or publish you know it opens

4800
02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:30,160
the channels of that gnosis and

4801
02:57:34,070 --> 02:57:31,520
knowledge to

4802
02:57:36,389 --> 02:57:34,080
uh to a broader audience and

4803
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:36,399
i think that's to be commended and we've

4804
02:57:40,389 --> 02:57:39,359
we've done full like full-on lectures uh

4805
02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:40,399
like

4806
02:57:46,309 --> 02:57:44,399
presentations and we've had three four

4807
02:57:48,469 --> 02:57:46,319
hour lectures just based on what they've

4808
02:57:50,150 --> 02:57:48,479
been presenting and whether it's science

4809
02:57:52,230 --> 02:57:50,160
whether it's metaphysics whether it's

4810
02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:52,240
it's ancient history

4811
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:54,479
you know whether it's ufos and ancient

4812
02:57:59,030 --> 02:57:57,120
aliens or discussing the lack thereof

4813
02:58:00,070 --> 02:57:59,040
from a reptilian standpoint

4814
02:58:01,429 --> 02:58:00,080
um

4815
02:58:03,429 --> 02:58:01,439
you know we we

4816
02:58:05,110 --> 02:58:03,439
we love doing this and we do it every

4817
02:58:06,710 --> 02:58:05,120
you know to do it once a week at least

4818
02:58:08,710 --> 02:58:06,720
but sometimes we do it twice a week i'd

4819
02:58:10,790 --> 02:58:08,720
like people to do it five days a week uh

4820
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:10,800
you know if people like jimmy church can

4821
02:58:14,950 --> 02:58:13,279
can do it and and you know pay the bills

4822
02:58:16,830 --> 02:58:14,960
for me it's not it's not about getting

4823
02:58:18,950 --> 02:58:16,840
famous it's not about

4824
02:58:20,309 --> 02:58:18,960
uh you know it's it's about do doing

4825
02:58:22,070 --> 02:58:20,319
what's right getting the knowledge out

4826
02:58:23,750 --> 02:58:22,080
there and if i can make a living off of

4827
02:58:26,309 --> 02:58:23,760
it to be able to support my family at

4828
02:58:27,910 --> 02:58:26,319
the barest of senses uh

4829
02:58:29,670 --> 02:58:27,920
you know like that's the audio is really

4830
02:58:31,349 --> 02:58:29,680
nice too because the the eyes do get

4831
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:31,359
tired you can only watch so many tv

4832
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:36,389
no no it's nice to lie back with your

4833
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,319
eyes closed and listen

4834
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:40,479
no no i think it's important to people

4835
02:58:44,950 --> 02:58:42,960
to do what is meaningful

4836
02:58:47,110 --> 02:58:44,960
and promote meaning something that's

4837
02:58:47,910 --> 02:58:47,120
meaningful into the broader culture as a

4838
02:58:49,190 --> 02:58:47,920
whole

4839
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:49,200
and

4840
02:58:55,750 --> 02:58:51,600
no i'm totally with you like i'm i'll

4841
02:58:59,750 --> 02:58:57,990
yeah no it's definitely something to be

4842
02:59:01,590 --> 02:58:59,760
put out into the world

4843
02:59:03,429 --> 02:59:01,600
you know and we we appreciate that and

4844
02:59:04,550 --> 02:59:03,439
again aaron uh we know that you're not

4845
02:59:06,309 --> 02:59:04,560
gonna be able to you're not you're not

4846
02:59:08,389 --> 02:59:06,319
going to still be up when uh the our

4847
02:59:10,309 --> 02:59:08,399
hangover episode tomorrow morning or

4848
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:10,319
later on this evening or night for you

4849
02:59:14,469 --> 02:59:13,279
happens because we we always do our app

4850
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:14,479
like the hangover it's it's we talk

4851
02:59:17,510 --> 02:59:16,080
about subjects on the show

4852
02:59:19,349 --> 02:59:17,520
on the next show

4853
02:59:20,950 --> 02:59:19,359
and then also usually because we we

4854
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:20,960
drink scotch the whole idea is it's a

4855
02:59:25,269 --> 02:59:22,960
hangout you know the hangover so that

4856
02:59:26,790 --> 02:59:25,279
yeah that's my play on words haha

4857
02:59:29,190 --> 02:59:26,800
um but before you go i just want to be

4858
02:59:30,630 --> 02:59:29,200
able to read a comment from el nino for

4859
02:59:31,910 --> 02:59:30,640
all the ladies and gentlemen out there

4860
02:59:33,990 --> 02:59:31,920
and then i'm going to play you with the

4861
02:59:35,590 --> 02:59:34,000
outro music and we still have two

4862
02:59:37,510 --> 02:59:35,600
choices because i was building part of

4863
02:59:39,590 --> 02:59:37,520
the website today and i didn't have a

4864
02:59:41,990 --> 02:59:39,600
chance to load more music on there but

4865
02:59:43,269 --> 02:59:42,000
el nino writes send chris your outro

4866
02:59:49,830 --> 02:59:43,279
music

4867
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:49,840
aliens no mysticism no religion no magic

4868
02:59:54,469 --> 02:59:52,640
just good old common sense a study the

4869
02:59:56,150 --> 02:59:54,479
cross sectional diagram of the pyramid

4870
02:59:57,990 --> 02:59:56,160
and you will quickly see that the

4871
02:59:59,830 --> 02:59:58,000
internal passages are geared towards a

4872
03:00:01,990 --> 02:59:59,840
functioning motor accounting for the

4873
03:00:03,670 --> 03:00:02,000
effects of such a process will lead you

4874
03:00:05,349 --> 03:00:03,680
to assumptions about what the pyramid

4875
03:00:06,469 --> 03:00:05,359
could have been couldn't have been used

4876
03:00:08,309 --> 03:00:06,479
for

4877
03:00:10,469 --> 03:00:08,319
maybe power generation or a

4878
03:00:11,990 --> 03:00:10,479
communications device both doug and

4879
03:00:14,150 --> 03:00:12,000
danny presented these our guests from

4880
03:00:16,710 --> 03:00:14,160
last night presented ideas based on

4881
03:00:19,429 --> 03:00:16,720
practicality to build the plateau up and

4882
03:00:21,830 --> 03:00:19,439
then build pyramids on top of uh is a

4883
03:00:23,590 --> 03:00:21,840
feat of engineering even today's even by

4884
03:00:25,429 --> 03:00:23,600
today's standards and this is true this

4885
03:00:26,550 --> 03:00:25,439
is actually confirmed by baval and i

4886
03:00:30,070 --> 03:00:26,560
talked to him about this and he's like

4887
03:00:32,550 --> 03:00:30,080
no that buildup was insanely hard to do

4888
03:00:35,030 --> 03:00:32,560
um and you know and this lends to the

4889
03:00:36,710 --> 03:00:35,040
idea that pyramids served a real purpose

4890
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:36,720
maybe there were two maybe they were

4891
03:00:41,190 --> 03:00:38,720
tombs after they served their work the

4892
03:00:43,910 --> 03:00:41,200
working life maybe i hope

4893
03:00:46,070 --> 03:00:43,920
i hope that whoever watches this becomes

4894
03:00:47,990 --> 03:00:46,080
inspired and realizes that

4895
03:00:50,070 --> 03:00:48,000
many pyramid theories including the tomb

4896
03:00:51,830 --> 03:00:50,080
theory fall short of explaining what

4897
03:00:54,230 --> 03:00:51,840
could actually be going on inside the

4898
03:00:56,389 --> 03:00:54,240
great pyramid so thank you den of lore

4899
03:00:58,630 --> 03:00:56,399
for hosting the show and thanks to

4900
03:01:00,790 --> 03:00:58,640
whomever has contributed to these ideas

4901
03:01:02,550 --> 03:01:00,800
john cadman chris dunn

4902
03:01:04,550 --> 03:01:02,560
gummel ethely

4903
03:01:05,750 --> 03:01:04,560
i probably mangled that name stephen

4904
03:01:08,710 --> 03:01:05,760
miller

4905
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:08,720
doug keenan danny kerr and nikola tesla

4906
03:01:13,990 --> 03:01:12,000
uh el el nino and you know we we get

4907
03:01:16,150 --> 03:01:14,000
these on comments we get them by email

4908
03:01:18,230 --> 03:01:16,160
if you like the show send us at in just

4909
03:01:20,150 --> 03:01:18,240
like comment on the show send us the

4910
03:01:22,389 --> 03:01:20,160
email at infodentovlor.com i will read

4911
03:01:25,429 --> 03:01:22,399
your [\h__\h] out on the air because

4912
03:01:27,750 --> 03:01:25,439
i love these encouraging emails because

4913
03:01:28,710 --> 03:01:27,760
it's so positive it is so

4914
03:01:30,309 --> 03:01:28,720
uh

4915
03:01:33,910 --> 03:01:30,319
it's good to know that we're doing we're

4916
03:01:35,990 --> 03:01:33,920
doing some good work here so yeah i i

4917
03:01:37,910 --> 03:01:36,000
it's good to know that feedback is

4918
03:01:39,910 --> 03:01:37,920
really invaluable it keeps you it keeps

4919
03:01:41,670 --> 03:01:39,920
you going it really keeps you going

4920
03:01:44,070 --> 03:01:41,680
there are some golden minds on the

4921
03:01:45,670 --> 03:01:44,080
internet not just trolls well you know

4922
03:01:48,550 --> 03:01:45,680
the trolls i read those to you in

4923
03:01:50,550 --> 03:01:48,560
private and i rescue them quite often

4924
03:01:52,870 --> 03:01:50,560
it's good to know that you touch with

4925
03:01:55,190 --> 03:01:52,880
real souls that you're making

4926
03:01:57,349 --> 03:01:55,200
a meaningful connection or a difference

4927
03:01:59,590 --> 03:01:57,359
to you know

4928
03:02:01,269 --> 03:01:59,600
my work i i you know now that i hear

4929
03:02:02,389 --> 03:02:01,279
that people i'm actually connecting with

4930
03:02:06,389 --> 03:02:02,399
people that

4931
03:02:11,030 --> 03:02:08,469
and that's you know that's invaluable

4932
03:02:14,469 --> 03:02:11,040
that's invaluable

4933
03:02:16,389 --> 03:02:14,479
and we have uh two uh outro songs

4934
03:02:17,910 --> 03:02:16,399
uh which one one of them is actually the

4935
03:02:19,269 --> 03:02:17,920
song that i just play on loop for the

4936
03:02:21,670 --> 03:02:19,279
hangover but still it's a great outro

4937
03:02:23,590 --> 03:02:21,680
song i've got scattered knowledge and

4938
03:02:26,309 --> 03:02:23,600
spellbound which one would you like to

4939
03:02:31,990 --> 03:02:28,469
hmm what was the press one

4940
03:02:34,870 --> 03:02:32,000
scattered knowledge or spellbound

4941
03:02:36,550 --> 03:02:34,880
um alex maybe spellbound

4942
03:02:39,590 --> 03:02:36,560
we haven't played that one for a while

4943
03:02:41,570 --> 03:02:41,110
i've got enough scattered knowledge you

4944
03:02:44,490 --> 03:02:41,580
know

4945
03:02:47,349 --> 03:02:44,500
[Laughter]

4946
03:02:49,510 --> 03:02:47,359
[Music]

4947
03:02:51,190 --> 03:02:49,520
so ladies and gentlemen thank you very

4948
03:02:52,550 --> 03:02:51,200
much again for tuning in to the show for

4949
03:02:53,429 --> 03:02:52,560
all the people who join us in youtube

4950
03:02:56,070 --> 03:02:53,439
chat

4951
03:02:57,910 --> 03:02:56,080
um we are so thankful to have you

4952
03:02:59,590 --> 03:02:57,920
joining us on there with your questions

4953
03:03:02,469 --> 03:02:59,600
and your thoughts

4954
03:03:05,190 --> 03:03:02,479
uh next week we actually have

4955
03:03:07,030 --> 03:03:05,200
a very special couple of guests uh

4956
03:03:08,389 --> 03:03:07,040
returning to the program

4957
03:03:10,950 --> 03:03:08,399
if you've ever

4958
03:03:12,710 --> 03:03:10,960
done any research into

4959
03:03:15,830 --> 03:03:12,720
the vortex bath

4960
03:03:17,910 --> 03:03:15,840
the great brandon powell and his brother

4961
03:03:21,269 --> 03:03:17,920
randy powell are going to be on the show

4962
03:03:23,590 --> 03:03:21,279
for a special wednesday afternoon 7 p.m

4963
03:03:26,790 --> 03:03:23,600
show that is for next week i've got the

4964
03:03:31,670 --> 03:03:29,830
yes in preparation i've got uh scottish

4965
03:03:33,670 --> 03:03:31,680
rites that we're conferring our 32nd

4966
03:03:36,230 --> 03:03:33,680
degrees so we're gonna make some more

4967
03:03:38,950 --> 03:03:36,240
high-level masons in the next uh next

4968
03:03:40,790 --> 03:03:38,960
week so uh uh my friend thursday friday

4969
03:03:43,910 --> 03:03:40,800
and saturday are shot

4970
03:03:45,510 --> 03:03:43,920
uh but wednesday we are doing the show

4971
03:03:47,990 --> 03:03:45,520
and uh

4972
03:03:49,750 --> 03:03:48,000
you know again join us all on the show

4973
03:03:52,469 --> 03:03:49,760
tomorrow morning after breakfast if

4974
03:03:54,550 --> 03:03:52,479
you're in the western hemisphere

4975
03:03:56,469 --> 03:03:54,560
for the hangover uh it's gonna be going

4976
03:03:58,710 --> 03:03:56,479
on at 11 eastern

4977
03:04:00,070 --> 03:03:58,720
10 p.m central

4978
03:04:03,910 --> 03:04:00,080
nine or sorry

4979
03:04:06,309 --> 03:04:03,920
11 a.m eastern 10 a.m central 9 a.m

4980
03:04:07,590 --> 03:04:06,319
mountain and 8 a.m

4981
03:04:10,070 --> 03:04:07,600
pacific we're going to have scotty

4982
03:04:11,269 --> 03:04:10,080
roberts and uh uh rashi stooch or rocky

4983
03:04:13,429 --> 03:04:11,279
sushi on

4984
03:04:16,550 --> 03:04:13,439
uh to talk some politics and you know

4985
03:04:17,429 --> 03:04:16,560
kind of get over the uh the the night as

4986
03:04:19,429 --> 03:04:17,439
it was

4987
03:04:22,070 --> 03:04:19,439
uh ladies and gentlemen

4988
03:04:23,030 --> 03:04:22,080
this has been your host chris george

4989
03:04:27,110 --> 03:04:23,040
zuger

4990
03:04:30,870 --> 03:04:27,120
and big sexy alex hashtag bsa

4991
03:04:32,309 --> 03:04:30,880
uh for episode 30 of the den of lore

4992
03:04:34,389 --> 03:04:32,319
march 31st

4993
03:04:36,790 --> 03:04:34,399
2017.

4994
03:04:38,389 --> 03:04:36,800
i will see you all

4995
03:04:40,550 --> 03:04:38,399
tomorrow

4996
03:04:43,510 --> 03:04:40,560
aaron it's been an absolute an honor and

4997
03:04:46,150 --> 03:04:43,520
a pleasure and thank you very much

4998
03:04:47,910 --> 03:04:46,160
for being a wonderful wonderful guest uh

4999
03:04:50,469 --> 03:04:47,920
everyone's enjoyed it i've enjoyed it

5000
03:04:52,150 --> 03:04:50,479
and it's expandable thank you so much

5001
03:04:54,150 --> 03:04:52,160
thank you no i'd love to come back

5002
03:04:55,750 --> 03:04:54,160
sometime well thank you thank you very

5003
03:04:56,710 --> 03:04:55,760
much we would love to have you thank you

5004
03:04:58,630 --> 03:04:56,720
very much

5005
03:04:59,910 --> 03:04:58,640
a real pleasure thank you all right good

5006
03:05:01,590 --> 03:04:59,920
good night ladies and gentlemen i'm

5007
03:05:05,590 --> 03:05:01,600
going to play the rest of the song out

5008
03:05:06,950 --> 03:05:05,600
and uh try and figure out how to uh

5009
03:05:08,870 --> 03:05:06,960
you know i never figured out how to do

5010
03:05:10,550 --> 03:05:08,880
the the the outro to this well what am i

5011
03:05:11,750 --> 03:05:10,560
gonna face into

5012
03:05:13,510 --> 03:05:11,760
i guess i'm just gonna play it i'm just

5013
03:05:17,349 --> 03:05:13,520
gonna stop the show so

5014
03:05:19,750 --> 03:05:17,359
yeah just roll it let's roll with it

5015
03:05:22,070 --> 03:05:19,760
and uh spencer cross um

5016
03:05:23,990 --> 03:05:22,080
the monoatomic gold that was just me

5017
03:05:25,750 --> 03:05:24,000
busting alex's balls i still love you to

5018
03:05:28,650 --> 03:05:25,760
death you're awesome